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Re: Mercy? (Was Re: My Prayer on this National Day of Prayer)
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Mon, 17 Sep 2001 01:21:11 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Lindsay Frederick Braun writes:
> And, remember, if God created all and is omnipotent, God
> also created evil and possesses the power to destroy it at
> any time. Evil is not merely the absence of good.
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> ...if you have real scientific evidence--not Creationist chestnuts, but real
> bonafide evidence, that points to the existence of the Christian God and
> *could not point to anything else*, that would be the greatest find
> in recorded history.
See http://news.lugnet.com/off-topic/debate/?n=12873 for a start.
Incidentally, Jesus was God in the flesh, and we have the recorded history
right in the Bible.
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> Religion operates within a faith paradigm. For example, if a miracle
> occurred that sufficiently defied natural laws (e.g., the planes stopping
> just inches from the WTC walls) then I think your postulate about people not
> understanding would be moot.
Possibly so. But then the hijackers would be making the accusations. God
loves even them so much that He does not deny them their free will.
> When science tries to make statements about the existence of God, or when
> religion tries to make statements about the conclusions of science (note: I'm
> not saying the *practice* here, because religion does come into bioethics
> quite strongly)
Ah, but you bring up another point of contention here. If there was no God,
there would be no objective standard of right and wrong, which would leave
the moral system in bioethics completely without a logical foundation.
> they're on really really really shaky ground that I'd argue is really quite
> indefensible.
Not always. There is a lot of junk science and junk religion floating
around, which can distract people from what is actually valid.
> You can't prove the unprovable, and you can't deny the provable (though
> people can, and do, try to challenge the proof).
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> I'm in the blind-watchmaker camp, myself. Religion comes from humanity, not
> from God. Only the human spirit or soul comes from there. Nothing divine
> can be articulated, but rather lives within us and between us. No dogma can
> circumscribe that.
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> best
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> LFB
--Ian
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