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Re: Mercy? (Was Re: My Prayer on this National Day of Prayer)
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Fri, 14 Sep 2001 22:27:19 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bill Farkas writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Mark Sandlin writes:
> > In article <GJo2MB.Lp4@lugnet.com>, "Ian Warfield" <ipw47@hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > As you say, many are wondering where God is right now, or why He let this
> > > happen.
> >
> > I'm wondering how people can maintain their faith in the face of what
> > has just happened. If you believe God to be all-good and all-powerful,
> > then explain to me how this kind of horrible thing is allowed to happen.
> > And don't give me that "works in mysterious ways" cop-out.
>
> No cop-outs. The question is not, "How can you believe in God?", but, "How
> can you believe in man?!" God didn't do this, man did. I like how people
> expect God to intervene in self serving ways but they don't want Him to
> interfere with their "fun." If God were to intervene in such ways, some
> would accuse Him of being too controlling. Bad men chose to do a bad thing.
> Some people enjoy doing bad things. God has never made a promise obligating
> Himself to intervene in such instances. He has given *us* freedom to choose.
> This has nothing to do with His goodness. We tainted His perfect creation by
> our sin. Your question is a cop-out, and is as old as the hills. Pain and
> suffering are man's fault not God's.
Who would accuse God or anyone of being too controlling if what happened
could have been prevented? And who would say God is controlling in anyway
now? You said yourself that bad men do bad things and some people enjoy
doing bad things, god never made a promise to intervene, god has given us
freedom etc. How would that be considered controlling in any way, or what
is he doing to be controling even a little bit? What is he doing then? I'm
not religious so please explain how we tainted his perfect creation? What
perfect creation? And if we've tainted this perfect creation of his why
doesn't he just 'clean up' and hit every building with a 767 jumbo jet? And
what about the people all over the world and through history fighting over
religion?
> > > I'd like to say to them that He's very much present and hard at
> > > work.
> >
> > Hmph.
> >
> > > We see it reflected all over:
> >
> > No we don't. I see PEOPLE coming together and helping.
>
> That's funny, I saw PEOPLE hijack and crash those planes. I also saw three
> plane loads of PEOPLE sit by and "allow" those planes to be hijacked and
> crashed (the fourth didn't).
Yes, see your own statement about how bad people do bad things and god
doesn't do anything about it. What point are you trying to make? There are
people and country's who are trying to repair damage done by sick and
twisted people, and I use the term people lightly as to me people would mean
that those responsible deserve basic rights that all people have, like
living a peaceful life, and not having a highjacked plane to crash into your
place of work. And I'm shocked that you would say that people 'allowed'
highjackers to take control of the plane. Where you there? Do you know how
it all exaclty happened? I don't think anyone does yet. Maybe they were
all busy praying to their god when the terrorists started killing
passengers. Maybe they were scared and couldn't do anything? Do you know?
Please share?
> >
> >
> > > Let's be thankful for His mercy during such a tragedy.
> >
> > What mercy? Where is the mercy for:
> >
> > -All the victims of the crashes
>
> If the next life can be said to be better than this, there it is. Same below.
>
> >
> > -The people who worked in the WTC
> >
> > -The missing rescue workers
> >
> > -The American Muslims who are being Persecuted in the Christian God's
> > name.
>
> Who said it was in the name of the Christian's God? It wasn't me.
>
>
> >
> > I fail to see any evidence of God's mercy. I only see evidence of people
> > whose lives have been destroyed and changed forever.
> >
> > I have the utmost respect for all those who have risen to help. But I
> > have no respect for a God who would allow this to happen.
>
> Have you intervened to prevent every foul deed you have witnessed or new was
> happening?
>
> I didn't think so.
>
> So, you yourself "allow" things to transpire that you do nothing to stop?
> Hmmm. Why is that? Therein lies your answer.
And what about yourself? If you were on one of those planes would you have
become the hero of the nation? Fought all of the terrorists with knives or
other weapons? To me it sounds like you would, or you would have seen what
had tranpired from the Batcave and jumped into your Batmobile and race to
save the day. Or would have you began to pray to your god?
> It's convenient and easy to blame God because then you won't have to face
> the deeper issues.
And what issues do those who don't blame god face?
>
> >
> > ~Grand Admiral Muffin Head
>
> Respectfully,
> Just plain Bill
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