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Hi!
Okay, so here's the deal, Tim Courtney from LDraw.org has asked me to
change the name of Technic MOTM into something _not_ Model Of The
Month since he feels MOTM is "an important part of LDraw.org's
recognition".
I _will_ change the name despite I feel it would be much better for
the AFOL community if LDraw.org were a tad more magnanimity about the
whole deal and -as I do- saw a lot of "(theme) MOTM" as a good thing
for the community.
However that's not the case and they obviously think LDraw.org is the
most important thing here.
So, please give me your name suggestions!
My only suggestion at the moment is T-MOM which, for the sake of the
whole deal, is short for Technic MOC of the Month instead of Model Of
the Month as it used to be. This was the first name I gave the contest
but I changed it prior to announcing it.
Tim suggests "Technic MOC of the Month" which I find rather amusing
since it with ease can be truncated into Technic MOTM :)
Here's Tim's letter in full:
"Hi Tobbe -
I just became aware of your Technic Model of the Month site today, it
appears to only have been running for a month. Its a great
competition for building, but I have some concerns.
"Model of the Month" and its corresponding abbreviation "MOTM" have
become an important part of LDraw.org's recognition in the AFOL
community. We have been using the name for almost 3 years now as
well. I see your use of the name as possibly diluting that
recognition, and encouraging others to come out with "(theme) MOTM"
which would be disastrous for the original Model of the Month in
terms of instant recognition and association with LDraw.org. I also
noticed that you used the LDraw.org MOTM name to promote your contest,
"...not only time to select the best MOTM on LDraw.org, but also time
to vote for the best _Technic_MOTM."
I would like to respectfully ask that you consider a new name for your
contest and you adopt the new name you have chosen. There are other
ways of expressing the same thing - Technic MOC of the Month, Technic
Design of the month, etc etc... It should be of minimal impact to
your own recognition, because your contest has only been running for a
month. We have spent years building up that name, I hope you
understand.
I feel strongly that this will encourage others to create "(theme)
MOTM" contests, and that will spell the end of the unique recognition
of the MOTM name/abbreviation to LDraw.org. It would be a similar
situation if the Cool LEGO Site of the Week were still running, and
someone else decided to make the "Cool LEGO Technic Site of the Week,"
not associated or endorsed by LUGNET/Todd Lehman at all. I'm sure he
would have a similar problem with that.
Thank you for your time and consideration.
Cc: Terry Keller, MOTM/Contests manger
Tim Courtney - tim@ldraw.org
http://www.ldraw.org - Centralized LDraw Resources"
The only thing I'd like to reply to in his letter that's not answered
in my text above the quote is his notice about me using their name to
promote my contest, I felt I was promoting their contest while
promoting mine when I wrote that :))
However I did select the name Technic MOTM because everybody in the
community know what MOTM is and can figure out what Technic MOTM is
all about...
Well, back to building my entry for this month .)
/Tobbe
http://www.arnesson.nu/lotek/
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COTLC - Construction of the Lunar Cycle (this way we get 13 in a year and so
go 'one better' than LDraw!)
:-)
William
-----Original Message-----
From: news-gateway@lugnet.com [mailto:news-gateway@lugnet.com]On Behalf
Of Tobbe Arnesson
Sent: 03 March 2002 16:41
To: lugnet.technic@lugnet.com
Subject: Technic MOTM needs a new name.
Hi!
Okay, so here's the deal, Tim Courtney from LDraw.org has asked me to
change the name of Technic MOTM into something _not_ Model Of The
Month since he feels MOTM is "an important part of LDraw.org's
recognition".
I _will_ change the name despite I feel it would be much better for
the AFOL community if LDraw.org were a tad more magnanimity about the
whole deal and -as I do- saw a lot of "(theme) MOTM" as a good thing
for the community.
However that's not the case and they obviously think LDraw.org is the
most important thing here.
So, please give me your name suggestions!
My only suggestion at the moment is T-MOM which, for the sake of the
whole deal, is short for Technic MOC of the Month instead of Model Of
the Month as it used to be. This was the first name I gave the contest
but I changed it prior to announcing it.
Tim suggests "Technic MOC of the Month" which I find rather amusing
since it with ease can be truncated into Technic MOTM :)
Here's Tim's letter in full:
"Hi Tobbe -
I just became aware of your Technic Model of the Month site today, it
appears to only have been running for a month. Its a great
competition for building, but I have some concerns.
"Model of the Month" and its corresponding abbreviation "MOTM" have
become an important part of LDraw.org's recognition in the AFOL
community. We have been using the name for almost 3 years now as
well. I see your use of the name as possibly diluting that
recognition, and encouraging others to come out with "(theme) MOTM"
which would be disastrous for the original Model of the Month in
terms of instant recognition and association with LDraw.org. I also
noticed that you used the LDraw.org MOTM name to promote your contest,
"...not only time to select the best MOTM on LDraw.org, but also time
to vote for the best _Technic_MOTM."
I would like to respectfully ask that you consider a new name for your
contest and you adopt the new name you have chosen. There are other
ways of expressing the same thing - Technic MOC of the Month, Technic
Design of the month, etc etc... It should be of minimal impact to
your own recognition, because your contest has only been running for a
month. We have spent years building up that name, I hope you
understand.
I feel strongly that this will encourage others to create "(theme)
MOTM" contests, and that will spell the end of the unique recognition
of the MOTM name/abbreviation to LDraw.org. It would be a similar
situation if the Cool LEGO Site of the Week were still running, and
someone else decided to make the "Cool LEGO Technic Site of the Week,"
not associated or endorsed by LUGNET/Todd Lehman at all. I'm sure he
would have a similar problem with that.
Thank you for your time and consideration.
Cc: Terry Keller, MOTM/Contests manger
Tim Courtney - tim@ldraw.org
http://www.ldraw.org - Centralized LDraw Resources"
The only thing I'd like to reply to in his letter that's not answered
in my text above the quote is his notice about me using their name to
promote my contest, I felt I was promoting their contest while
promoting mine when I wrote that :))
However I did select the name Technic MOTM because everybody in the
community know what MOTM is and can figure out what Technic MOTM is
all about...
Well, back to building my entry for this month .)
/Tobbe
http://www.arnesson.nu/lotek/
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I've got a few suggestions for The
Technic model of the month. Hope you consider
these...
TRTM- Top rated technic model
TSTM- Technic set of the month
MTSC- Monthly Technic Set choice
TMTM- This month's top model
and of course TBTSIESBWCCIMOTMBTLDM- the best technis set I've
ever seen but we can'r call it MOTM because that's L-Draw's motto.
(just kidding on that one...)
<<_Matt Hein_>>
Lugnet member No. 1112
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In lugnet.technic, Matt Hein writes:
> and of course TBTSIESBWCCIMOTMBTLDM- the best technis set I've
> ever seen but we can'r call it MOTM because that's L-Draw's motto.
> (just kidding on that one...)
ROFLMAO!! that's too funny... :-)
I apologize for the quick hit-and-run post without replying to Tobbe's
original one. I have to leave right now, I will expound on that one later
when I get home. I am off to the NILTC show in Palatine, IL to help out
with the club :-) We're having a lot of fun over there and you all should
see pictures tonight :-)
-Tim
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On Sun, 3 Mar 2002 17:07:57 GMT, "Matt Hein" <Pyrokid17@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> I've got a few suggestions for The
> Technic model of the month. Hope you consider
> these...
>
> TRTM- Top rated technic model
>
> TSTM- Technic set of the month
>
> MTSC- Monthly Technic Set choice
Set would be confusing with official LEGO sets I think.
> TMTM- This month's top model
>
> and of course TBTSIESBWCCIMOTMBTLDM- the best technis set I've
> ever seen but we can'r call it MOTM because that's L-Draw's motto.
> (just kidding on that one...)
LOL!
/Tobbe
http://www.arnesson.nu/lotek/
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How about a Large, Dramatic, Realistic, Awesome or Wonderful Technic Monthly
Competion?
That of course would be the LDRAW-TMC!!!
:-)))
William
-----Original Message-----
From: news-gateway@lugnet.com [mailto:news-gateway@lugnet.com]On Behalf
Of Tobbe Arnesson
Sent: 03 March 2002 17:33
To: lugnet.technic@lugnet.com
Subject: Re: Technic MOTM needs a new name.
On Sun, 3 Mar 2002 17:07:57 GMT, "Matt Hein" <Pyrokid17@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> I've got a few suggestions for The
> Technic model of the month. Hope you consider
> these...
>
> TRTM- Top rated technic model
>
> TSTM- Technic set of the month
>
> MTSC- Monthly Technic Set choice
Set would be confusing with official LEGO sets I think.
> TMTM- This month's top model
>
> and of course TBTSIESBWCCIMOTMBTLDM- the best technis set I've
> ever seen but we can'r call it MOTM because that's L-Draw's motto.
> (just kidding on that one...)
LOL!
/Tobbe
http://www.arnesson.nu/lotek/
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Tobbe Arnesson writes:
> Tim suggests "Technic MOC of the Month" which I find rather
> amusing since it with ease can be truncated into Technic MOTM :)
I think Tim's being kind of picky, but I agree it might be confusing
having two sites with the same acronym. How about TMM = Technic
MOC/Model of the Month?
--Bram
Bram Lambrecht
bram@cwru.edu
www.bldesign.org
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On Sun, 3 Mar 2002 20:11:20 GMT, "Bram Lambrecht" <bram@cwru.edu>
wrote:
> Tobbe Arnesson writes:
> > Tim suggests "Technic MOC of the Month" which I find rather
> > amusing since it with ease can be truncated into Technic MOTM :)
>
> I think Tim's being kind of picky, but I agree it might be confusing
> having two sites with the same acronym. How about TMM = Technic
> MOC/Model of the Month?
> --Bram
That's a good suggestion. Thanks!
More suggestions folks?
/Tobbe
http://www.arnesson.nu/lotek/
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In lugnet.technic, Tobbe Arnesson writes:
> Hi!
>
> Okay, so here's the deal, Tim Courtney from LDraw.org has asked me to
> change the name of Technic MOTM into something _not_ Model Of The
> Month
> So, please give me your name suggestions!
How about:
EXPERT BUILDER of the MONTH
for two reasons:
1) Expert Builder is, of course, the original name of the Technic series of
sets.
2) This name would recognize not only the model, but the model's creator.
Or would, in fact, allow you to honor an Expert Builder for a series of
models, not necessarily just one creation.
Just my suggestion.
All the best,
Allan B.
- Expert Builder website
- http://www.apotome.com/builder
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"Tobbe Arnesson" <tnt@arnesson.nu> skrev i meddelandet
news:3c824db4.26487877@lugnet.com...
>
> So, please give me your name suggestions!
MTC - Monthly Technical Contest (No need to tell whose, we all know
it!)
MoTeC - As above
TMTC - Tobbe's Monthly Technical Contest
ToM TeC - As above
TTMC - Tobbe's Technical Model Contest (no mentioning of month)
TOTY/12 - Technical model Of The Year/12
TOMATO - Technical model Of the Month As organized by TObbe
TOBACCO - TOBbe's Annual Contest for technic COnstructions (sorry :-)
or perhaps a little Swedish:
MåTeMo - Månadens Technic-Modell (Technic model of the month)
MånTeM - As above
TeMFöM - Technic-Modellen FÖr Månaden
(I'll only take 10% of your earnings if you want to use any of these (tm)-ed
names)
--
Anders Isaksson, Sweden
BlockCAD: http://user.tninet.se/~hbh828t/proglego.htm
Gallery: http://user.tninet.se/~hbh828t/gallery/index.htm
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On Sun, 3 Mar 2002 21:41:18 GMT, "Anders Isaksson"
<isaksson.etuna@REMOVEebox.tninet.se> wrote:
> "Tobbe Arnesson" <tnt@arnesson.nu> skrev i meddelandet
> news:3c824db4.26487877@lugnet.com...
> >
> > So, please give me your name suggestions!
>
> MTC - Monthly Technical Contest (No need to tell whose, we all know
> it!)
> MoTeC - As above
Interesting!
> TMTC - Tobbe's Monthly Technical Contest
> ToM TeC - As above
> TTMC - Tobbe's Technical Model Contest (no mentioning of month)
I'd like to keep my name out of it, it's the Technic community's
contest, I'm just the originator/administrator as is :)
> TOTY/12 - Technical model Of The Year/12
> TOMATO - Technical model Of the Month As organized by TObbe
> TOBACCO - TOBbe's Annual Contest for technic COnstructions (sorry :-)
LOL!
> or perhaps a little Swedish:
>
> MåTeMo - Månadens Technic-Modell (Technic model of the month)
> MånTeM - As above
> TeMFöM - Technic-Modellen FÖr Månaden
*smiles* Perhaps a bit excotic? :)
> (I'll only take 10% of your earnings if you want to use any of these (tm)-ed
> names)
I'm surprised you did not ask for 10% of my collection .)
/Tobbe
http://www.arnesson.nu/lotek/
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> I see your use of the name as possibly diluting that recognition,
This is not just picky, this is completely out of line considering that if
Lego acted the same way (and there are legal precendents from other
companies), we would have no Lugnet and, of course, no LDRAW.
How about TCM - Technic Creation(s) of the Month?
Or TTCM - Technic Top Creation(s) of the Month?
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In lugnet.technic, Miguel Agullo writes:
> > I see your use of the name as possibly diluting that recognition,
>
> This is not just picky, this is completely out of line considering that if
> Lego acted the same way (and there are legal precendents from other
> companies), we would have no Lugnet and, of course, no LDRAW.
Not exactly - neither Lugnet nor Ldraw actually have the word LEGO in them. And
note that LEGO *have* acted exactly that way WRT legOS.
ROSCO
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In lugnet.technic, Ross Crawford writes:
> In lugnet.technic, Miguel Agullo writes:
> > > I see your use of the name as possibly diluting that recognition,
> >
> > This is not just picky, this is completely out of line considering that if
> > Lego acted the same way (and there are legal precendents from other
> > companies), we would have no Lugnet and, of course, no LDRAW.
>
> Not exactly - neither Lugnet nor Ldraw actually have the word LEGO in them. And
> note that LEGO *have* acted exactly that way WRT legOS.
>
> ROSCO
You are wrong here ROSCO,
LDraw stands for 'LEGO Draw' and LUGNET stands for 'LEGO USers Group
Network', so you see both actually do use the word LEGO.
Just for the record I don't have a comment/stance of this MOTO 'brickering'
that is going on.
Lets just all build models and enjoy our legos and virtual legos....
-AHui
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In lugnet.technic, Ahui Herrera writes:
> In lugnet.technic, Ross Crawford writes:
> > Not exactly - neither Lugnet nor Ldraw actually have the word LEGO in them. And
> > note that LEGO *have* acted exactly that way WRT legOS.
> >
> > ROSCO
>
> You are wrong here ROSCO,
>
> LDraw stands for 'LEGO Draw' and LUGNET stands for 'LEGO USers Group
> Network', so you see both actually do use the word LEGO.
I agree with Ross here - the difference being, LUGNET and LDraw use LEGO as
a part of an acronym. Where the Technic MOTM used the name Model of the
Month within it fully spelled out. I think its different enough to make a
distinction.
Anyways, no biggie really. Just a technicality above.
fut -> lugnet.off-topic.nitpick ;-)
-Tim
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In lugnet.technic, Ahui Herrera writes:
> In lugnet.technic, Ross Crawford writes:
> > In lugnet.technic, Miguel Agullo writes:
> > > > I see your use of the name as possibly diluting that recognition,
> > >
> > > This is not just picky, this is completely out of line considering that if
> > > Lego acted the same way (and there are legal precendents from other
> > > companies), we would have no Lugnet and, of course, no LDRAW.
> >
> > Not exactly - neither Lugnet nor Ldraw actually have the word LEGO in them. • And
> > note that LEGO *have* acted exactly that way WRT legOS.
> >
> > ROSCO
>
> You are wrong here ROSCO,
No, I'm not (IMO).
> LDraw stands for 'LEGO Draw' and LUGNET stands for 'LEGO USers Group
> Network', so you see both actually do use the word LEGO.
No, they are names, one letter of which stands for LEGO. They do not contain
the word LEGO. Why else do you think LEGO leaves them alone, while asking the
developers to rename legOS?
ROSCO
FUT: .o-t.debate
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On Mon, 4 Mar 2002 02:00:54 GMT, "miguel agullo"
<technicpuppy@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > I see your use of the name as possibly diluting that recognition,
>
> This is not just picky, this is completely out of line considering that if
> Lego acted the same way (and there are legal precendents from other
> companies), we would have no Lugnet and, of course, no LDRAW.
>
> How about TCM - Technic Creation(s) of the Month?
I like it! Does it belong somewhere else I should know about 8-)
> Or TTCM - Technic Top Creation(s) of the Month?
I'm thinking TiM - _T_echn_i_c of the _M_onth and since every one whos
not into Technic has something against Tim I don't think they'll mind
:)
I like acronyms that can be spelled out as one word.
/Tobbe
http://www.arnesson.nu/lotek/
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In lugnet.technic, Tobbe Arnesson writes:
> > How about TCM - Technic Creation(s) of the Month?
>
> I like it! Does it belong somewhere else I should know about 8-)
It may be an issue, it may not. TCM is the trademark logo of the cable channel
'Turner Classic Movies'
>
> > Or TTCM - Technic Top Creation(s) of the Month?
>
> I'm thinking TiM - _T_echn_i_c of the _M_onth and since every one whos
> not into Technic has something against Tim I don't think they'll mind
> :)
>
> /Tobbe
Or TOM, _T_echnic _O_f the _M_onth
Just a thought from an outsider.
--Anthony
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In lugnet.technic, Tobbe Arnesson wrote:
[snip]
Tim,
Did you actually talk to the other guys of ldraw.org before trying to
use the name to bully Tobbe? I mean, ldraw.org isn't your personal
site, is it? Is there a committee that makes these decisions, or do
you come up with these things on your own? I think the Technic MOTM is
a great thing, and I think it's wrong you're trying to pretend it's an
ldraw trademark... Especially that, at least in my case, when I see
MOTM I do _not_ think of ldraw at all!
I'm just curious at the process behind this bullying, and who was part
of this fiasco.
Dan, who doesn't believe that the end justifies the means.
--
Dan Boger dan@peeron.com
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In lugnet.technic, Tobbe Arnesson writes:
> Hi!
>
> Okay, so here's the deal, Tim Courtney from LDraw.org has asked me to
> change the name of Technic MOTM into something _not_ Model Of The
> Month since he feels MOTM is "an important part of LDraw.org's
> recognition".
>
> I _will_ change the name despite I feel it would be much better for
> the AFOL community if LDraw.org were a tad more magnanimity about the
> whole deal and -as I do- saw a lot of "(theme) MOTM" as a good thing
> for the community.
well, here's my 2 cents:
1) no one can own words. An artist (I forget her name)
presented Charles Dickens' A Tale of Two Cities IN ITS ENTIRETY,
to make precisely that point. In the ensuing court battles,
she won. (no joke)
2) Model of the Month does not imply anything other than Model
of the Month. now if u called it Ldraw's Model of the Month....
that would be different, but you aren't.
3) There are tons of sites around w/ Model of the Month or whatever.
In fact, if we allow for Model of the Month to become an issue, then
conceivably someone could get on Tim's case for "Model of the"
if they had used those 3 words before somewhere, which inevitably
results in "the" becoming a point of contention.
Ridiculous? Ludicrous? I hope you find it so.
I'm tempted to add a Model of the Month to my own site,
and to ask a whole bunch of others to do so. Spreading
chaos ultimately illuminates the absurdity of all this.
-paul
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In lugnet.technic, Paul Hartzog writes:
> 2) Model of the Month does not imply anything other than Model
> of the Month. now if u called it Ldraw's Model of the Month....
> that would be different, but you aren't.
FWIW, Model Railroader(tm) had a "Model of the Month" for many years, may
still do for all I know (I'm no longer a subscriber).
Not sure what that implies, just thought I'd throw it out as a perhaps
useful bit of info.
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In lugnet.technic, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> In lugnet.technic, Paul Hartzog writes:
>
> > 2) Model of the Month does not imply anything other than Model
> > of the Month. now if u called it Ldraw's Model of the Month....
> > that would be different, but you aren't.
>
> FWIW, Model Railroader(tm) had a "Model of the Month" for many years, may
> still do for all I know (I'm no longer a subscriber).
>
> Not sure what that implies, just thought I'd throw it out as a perhaps
> useful bit of info.
Larry may not be sure what it implies but I think I know what it implies to
me...
To me it implies that anyone trying to trademark a name as generic as "Model of
the Month" is being silly at best. What if Fashion Magazine decided to start a
"Model of the Month"? Would we get upset? How about RC magazine (Radio
Controled)? I think I am with Paul, I might just start a "Model of the Month"
of my own and have it not even remotely LEGO related.
This is precisely one of the reasons why I pay so little attention to LUGNET
anymore...
Eric Kingsley
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In lugnet.technic, Eric Kingsley writes:
> To me it implies that anyone trying to trademark a name as generic as "Model of
> the Month" is being silly at best.
Did I use the word 'trademark' once?
> What if Fashion Magazine decided to start a
> "Model of the Month"? Would we get upset? How about RC magazine (Radio
> Controled)?
Look at the context of their use of the words as I explained in my last post.
> I think I am with Paul, I might just start a "Model of the Month"
> of my own and have it not even remotely LEGO related.
This comment has nothing constructive in it, it is only childish and
spiteful. I have attempted to steer this discussion positively, both in the
LDraw group and here. While you have every right to say what you want, I
certainly think its uncalled for.
-Tim
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A few others to add to the list:
ToadAuto.com MOTM:
http://ginaschofield.net/monthlymodel.htm
Plastic Model Building Mania MOTM:
http://members.aol.com/Cinorjer/
Model Car List Best MOTM:
http://www.modelcarlist.com/bmom/
Yahoo! Model of the Month:
http://features.yahoo.com/model/
Mega Hobby Model of the Month Club:
http://www.megahobby.com/Mega-Community/Contact_Us/Model_of_the_Month_Club/model_of_the_month_club.html
And there is Joe Lauher's Construction Toy Homepage which has a MOTM
starting back in 1995:
http://www.chem.sunysb.edu/msl/lego/homepage.html
jt
In lugnet.technic, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> In lugnet.technic, Paul Hartzog writes:
>
> > 2) Model of the Month does not imply anything other than Model
> > of the Month. now if u called it Ldraw's Model of the Month....
> > that would be different, but you aren't.
>
> FWIW, Model Railroader(tm) had a "Model of the Month" for many years, may
> still do for all I know (I'm no longer a subscriber).
>
> Not sure what that implies, just thought I'd throw it out as a perhaps
> useful bit of info.
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In lugnet.technic, Paul Hartzog writes:
> well, here's my 2 cents:
>
> 1) no one can own words. An artist (I forget her name)
> presented Charles Dickens' A Tale of Two Cities IN ITS ENTIRETY,
> to make precisely that point. In the ensuing court battles,
> she won. (no joke)
>
> 2) Model of the Month does not imply anything other than Model
> of the Month. now if u called it Ldraw's Model of the Month....
> that would be different, but you aren't.
>
> 3) There are tons of sites around w/ Model of the Month or whatever.
> In fact, if we allow for Model of the Month to become an issue, then
> conceivably someone could get on Tim's case for "Model of the"
> if they had used those 3 words before somewhere, which inevitably
> results in "the" becoming a point of contention.
For the record, I agree with the word ownership sentiment. I did not at any
point in time imply a word ownership in any legal sense. I simply made a
polite request of someone and explained why I was making that reqest.
Tobbe happened to accept my request, out of his own free will. No big deal.
Had he disagreeed and told me he would not comply, I realized at the time of
writing the original message there was not a lick I could do about it, nor
should do about it.
I understand other publications have the words 'Model of the Month,' but you
also should look at context. Within the LEGO community, LDraw.org started
with the use of those words and the contest associated became quite popular.
Model Railroader, etc have a different context around their competitions and
spotlights. No, neither I, nor the nebulous LDraw.org owns those words, but
it is a community respect issue in my view. Tobbe happened to share the
same view and accepted the request graciously.
I hope that from here on out, people (not necessarily Paul) will be able to
make CONstructive comments, not DEstructive ones.
-Tim
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In lugnet.technic, Tim Courtney writes:
> I hope that from here on out, people (not necessarily Paul) will be able to
> make CONstructive comments, not DEstructive ones.
And re-reading this, it could be interpreted that I thought Paul was being
destructive. That's not what I meant. I meant to exempt him from that and
say that I felt his comments were constructive.
Doh!
-Tim
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in all fairness to tim,
there's nothing WRONG about his opinion....
and Tobbe is gracious
to change his motm name
(another lugnetter uses MotMoment)
so, no harm, no foul.
-paul
In lugnet.technic, Tobbe Arnesson writes:
> Hi!
>
> Okay, so here's the deal, Tim Courtney from LDraw.org has asked me to
> change the name of Technic MOTM into something _not_ Model Of The
> Month since he feels MOTM is "an important part of LDraw.org's
> recognition".
>
> I _will_ change the name despite I feel it would be much better for
> the AFOL community if LDraw.org were a tad more magnanimity about the
> whole deal and -as I do- saw a lot of "(theme) MOTM" as a good thing
> for the community.
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In lugnet.technic, Tobbe Arnesson writes:
> I feel strongly that this will encourage others to create "(theme)
> MOTM" contests, and that will spell the end of the unique recognition
> of the MOTM name/abbreviation to LDraw.org. It would be a similar
> situation if the Cool LEGO Site of the Week were still running, and
> someone else decided to make the "Cool LEGO Technic Site of the Week,"
> not associated or endorsed by LUGNET/Todd Lehman at all. I'm sure he
> would have a similar problem with that.
Well Tobbe,
When I started on rec.toys.lego (actually, it was alt.toys.lego) Joe Lauher
had a Model of the Month segment where he'd pick a cool set and write about it:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3bn7a7%2449c%40adam.cc.sunysb.edu&output=gplain
This began in 1994 and ended in 1997. Obviously I'm not to judge what
people consider unique recognition, but I can't help but think the fact
there's prior art (since eight years ago) for the phrase "Model of the
Month" in the Lego community sort of weakens the argument.
Others are calling this ludicrous and I agree. If I were you, I wouldn't
change a thing. Sheesh.
Calum
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I'm going to throw in my "dos centavos".
FOR LEGO SAKE! This "MODEL OF THE MONTH" feces (putting nicely)
is getting to be about as bad as those dorkheads who couldn't agree wether
the
21st century began in 2000 or 2001!
This "whatever of the day-week-month-year-decade-century-millenium" has
become
such a part of culture in general IT IS DRIVING ME CRAZY!!!!!
I think I'll back to designing that next bridge. At least then I can go
crazy and ENJOY IT!
Adr.
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On Tue, 5 Mar 2002 04:28:50 GMT, "Adrian Egli"
<adr.egli@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> I'm going to throw in my "dos centavos".
>
> FOR LEGO SAKE! This "MODEL OF THE MONTH" feces (putting nicely)
> is getting to be about as bad as those dorkheads who couldn't agree wether
> the
> 21st century began in 2000 or 2001!
>
> This "whatever of the day-week-month-year-decade-century-millenium" has
> become
> such a part of culture in general IT IS DRIVING ME CRAZY!!!!!
>
> I think I'll back to designing that next bridge. At least then I can go
> crazy and ENJOY IT!
*nods*
When I wrote I had agreed and was looking for a new name, not a
debate. I included the reasons, that's it. Something I kind of regret
today since this whole matter is going out of hand...
Mina två ören (Swedish: My two ören)
/Tobbe
http://www.arnesson.nu/lotek/
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In lugnet.technic, Tobbe Arnesson writes:
> When I wrote I had agreed and was looking for a new name, not a
> debate. I included the reasons, that's it. Something I kind of regret
> today since this whole matter is going out of hand...
All publicity is good publicity :)
How about "t.c.f.k.a.m.o.t.m"
(The competiton formerly known as Model of he month)
or
"I can't believe it's not Motm!"
Steve
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> How about "t.c.f.k.a.m.o.t.m"
> (The competiton formerly known as Model of he month)
Shouldn't that be rendered as some form of graphic? (Like
"squiggle-fishhook-tee", aka Prince)
How about a Technic brick on a Calendar?
William
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In lugnet.technic, William Howard writes:
> > How about "t.c.f.k.a.m.o.t.m"
> > (The competiton formerly known as Model of he month)
> Shouldn't that be rendered as some form of graphic? (Like
> "squiggle-fishhook-tee", aka Prince)
William, you are of couse completely right that it shoud be a graphic.
Now Prince's squiggle is a strange & useless contorted device. Therefore we
should of course use a silouette of more or less any piece of bionicle :)
Steve
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ROFL
William
PS - You can borrow my flame-proof suit if you like!
-----Original Message-----
From: news-gateway@lugnet.com [mailto:news-gateway@lugnet.com]On Behalf
Of Steven lane
Sent: 05 March 2002 16:34
To: lugnet.technic@lugnet.com
Subject: Re: Technic MOTM needs a new name.
In lugnet.technic, William Howard writes:
> > How about "t.c.f.k.a.m.o.t.m"
> > (The competiton formerly known as Model of he month)
> Shouldn't that be rendered as some form of graphic? (Like
> "squiggle-fishhook-tee", aka Prince)
William, you are of couse completely right that it shoud be a graphic.
Now Prince's squiggle is a strange & useless contorted device. Therefore we
should of course use a silouette of more or less any piece of bionicle :)
Steve
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In lugnet.technic, Tobbe Arnesson writes (quoting Tim Courtney):
> [...]
> I feel strongly that this will encourage others to create "(theme)
> MOTM" contests, and that will spell the end of the unique recognition
> of the MOTM name/abbreviation to LDraw.org. It would be a similar
> situation if the Cool LEGO Site of the Week were still running, and
> someone else decided to make the "Cool LEGO Technic Site of the Week,"
> not associated or endorsed by LUGNET/Todd Lehman at all. I'm sure he
> would have a similar problem with that.
Actually, I wouldn't mind.
In lugnet.technic, Tobbe Arnesson writes:
> [...]
> However I did select the name Technic MOTM because everybody in the
> community know what MOTM is and can figure out what Technic MOTM is
> all about...
Personally, I think your choice makes a lot of sense, and I agree with you
that it would be good for the community to have a simple and straightforward
name like "[LEGO] Technic MOTM".
--Todd
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To be honest, if I went looking for something called
the Technic MOTM, I'd probably go to ldraw.org first to
find it. So, I think you can call it what you want, but
something else might be better.
"MoTEC" just sounds so cool, how can you resist?
(mentioned earlier in the thread) It even has an
international feel, like "Model 'o de Technic de Competition"
:)
In lugnet.technic, Todd Lehman writes:
> In lugnet.technic, Tobbe Arnesson writes (quoting Tim Courtney):
> > [...]
> > I feel strongly that this will encourage others to create "(theme)
> > MOTM" contests, and that will spell the end of the unique recognition
> > of the MOTM name/abbreviation to LDraw.org. It would be a similar
> > situation if the Cool LEGO Site of the Week were still running, and
> > someone else decided to make the "Cool LEGO Technic Site of the Week,"
> > not associated or endorsed by LUGNET/Todd Lehman at all. I'm sure he
> > would have a similar problem with that.
>
> Actually, I wouldn't mind.
>
>
> In lugnet.technic, Tobbe Arnesson writes:
> > [...]
> > However I did select the name Technic MOTM because everybody in the
> > community know what MOTM is and can figure out what Technic MOTM is
> > all about...
>
> Personally, I think your choice makes a lot of sense, and I agree with you
> that it would be good for the community to have a simple and straightforward
> name like "[LEGO] Technic MOTM".
>
> --Todd
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On Fri, 8 Mar 2002 19:19:21 GMT, "Paul Gyugyi" <paul@gyugyi.com>
wrote:
> To be honest, if I went looking for something called
> the Technic MOTM, I'd probably go to ldraw.org first to
> find it. So, I think you can call it what you want, but
> something else might be better.
>
> "MoTEC" just sounds so cool, how can you resist?
> (mentioned earlier in the thread) It even has an
> international feel, like "Model 'o de Technic de Competition"
> :)
I'm not resisting, I've been occupied the past week. Hope to fix it
tomorrow :)
I still have not decided on the name...
/Tobbe
http://www.arnesson.nu/lotek/
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In lugnet.technic, Todd Lehman writes:
>
> --Todd
He's alive! All this time I've been mis-pronouncing "loog-net"
over and over in my head, just to flush him out. All we had
to do was use his name in vain!
KL
P.S. just kidding about the "loog-net" thing :)
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I actually think L-Draw is in the wrong here. They use the 'MOTM' meaning
Model of the Month..we all know that. My case is, Lego is used to create
'Models'.. L-Draw is a cad, graphics system, which in my eys does not create
lego models at all.
You can argue the word 'model' also has a computer graphics relationship,
but when talking about Lego, model has one meaning: a physical structure
made of lego.
I think L-Draw should change the name of their contest to something like
'VMOTM' Virtual Model of the Month, and the Lego community should encourage
more themed MOTM's.
The phrase Model of the Month or MOTM has no relation to what the L-Draw
system does. When you here MOTM.. you dont naturally think its means the
model is created within a software application.
Just my opinions,
Brian
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Brian Sadowski wrote:
>
> I actually think L-Draw is in the wrong here.
They are, but not for the reasons you state.
> They use the 'MOTM' meaning
> Model of the Month..we all know that. My case is, Lego is used to create
> 'Models'.. L-Draw is a cad, graphics system, which in my eys does not create
> lego models at all.
But LDraw *does* create LEGO models. Whether a model's physical
parameters are stored in ABS molecules or mathematical data is
irrelevant. Either method is an equally valid representation of physical
object. In fact, an LDraw model can technically create a far more
perfect LEGO model than can be achieved with actual LEGO parts, since
LDraw is immune to production issues such as mold tolerances, dye lots
and such.
> You can argue the word 'model' also has a computer graphics relationship,
> but when talking about Lego, model has one meaning: a physical structure
> made of lego.
This is a narrow viewpoint. In the context of LDraw, "model" is rightly
applied to both the 3D mathematical modeling aspect as well as the LEGO
construct aspect. This, if anything, makes LDraw's use of the word
"model" more valid, not less valid.
> I think L-Draw should change the name of their contest to something like
> 'VMOTM' Virtual Model of the Month, and the Lego community should encourage
> more themed MOTM's.
Nobody, including LDraw, should have to change anything, and nobody
should be intimidated, persuaded, coerced, or otherwise influenced into
not using "MOTM".
> The phrase Model of the Month or MOTM has no relation to what the L-Draw
> system does. When you here MOTM.. you dont naturally think its means the
> model is created within a software application.
Speak for yourself. You may not naturally think it means a model created
within a software application, but others (including myself) may. When I
hear the word "model", several images come to mind, only one of which is
LEGO. 3D modeling is my chosen profession, so when I hear the word
"model", the first thing that comes to mind *is* a computer model. To
co-opt the word as the sole and exclusive property of LEGO builders is
silly, even in a LEGO-centric forum such as LUGNET.
MOTM is a common-use acronym that should not be privatized by any one
faction of the LEGO community. If someone isn't intelligent enough to
apply context to the acronym, they probably don't have the cognitive
skills to navigate LUGNET in the first place.
Regards
Micah J. Mabelitini - LUGNET #918 - accutron@communicomm.com
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This thread got me thinking.
As you may or may not know, my site is called 'LEGO on my Mind'.
http://home.zonnet.nl/ericbrok/legomind/
The visual motto of this site has always been a picture of a man with bricks
for brains.
After it had been around a couple of years, another site appeared with the
catchy name 'Bricks on the Brain'.
http://www.bricksonthebrain.com/
When this happened, I felt a sentiment similar to Tim's. I thought it would
somehow make my site name less identifiable and less original. Especially
for people who happen to come across BOTB first.
Typically on the net, as opposed to print, there isn't an obvious history
about who was first with what ideas, models, concepts, terms or names.
However I think ultimately anybody should be able to call his or her project
as he or she wishes. To me it seemed a lost case and once it happened not
worthwile to make a fuss about it.
So I'm not coming up with this to complain. I guess what I'm saying is that
this kind of things happens frequently. I'm just adding another case to the
bigger issue.
Eric
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