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Sir,
I wish to take issue with the caption of two images in Russell Clark's otherwise
excellent presentation, "Thomas the Tank Engine & Friends".
On page 23 (of 27), a compound image is captioned "Thomas by unknown
modeler[sic] (UK)". The model clearly shows an OF class 0-4-0 saddle tank
engine in the livery of the Caledonian railway, and not an 0-6-0 (side) tank
engine in the style of the Rev. W. Awdrey's aforementioned original creation.
I am sure the modeller (whoever he may be) is clearly aware that 'Thomas' has
six wheels, not four, and would be highly offended, possibly liable to fits of
mental dissociation and extreme acts of violence to hear his %$~!@*# Caledonian
0-4-0 referred to as %$~!@*# 'Thomas' by one more %$~!@*# parent at a %$~!@*#
$%*@#~! train show for %$~!'s sake, don't they know %$~!@*# anything?
Did Reynolds put you up to this? I'll have that $%*@#~!, I tell you. Just you
wait and see that I %$~!@*# don't.
Yours faithfully,
Jason J. Railton, B.Eng
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In lugnet.trains, Jason J. Railton wrote:
> Sir,
>
> I wish to take issue with the caption of two images in Russell Clark's otherwise
> excellent presentation, "Thomas the Tank Engine & Friends".
>
> On page 23 (of 27), a compound image is captioned "Thomas by unknown
> modeler[sic] (UK)". The model clearly shows an OF class 0-4-0 saddle tank
> engine in the livery of the Caledonian railway, and not an 0-6-0 (side) tank
> engine in the style of the Rev. W. Awdrey's aforementioned original creation.
>
> I am sure the modeller (whoever he may be) is clearly aware that 'Thomas' has
> six wheels, not four, and would be highly offended, possibly liable to fits of
> mental dissociation and extreme acts of violence to hear his %$~!@*# Caledonian
> 0-4-0 referred to as %$~!@*# 'Thomas' by one more %$~!@*# parent at a %$~!@*#
> $%*@#~! train show for %$~!'s sake, don't they know %$~!@*# anything?
>
> Did Reynolds put you up to this? I'll have that $%*@#~!, I tell you. Just you
> wait and see that I %$~!@*# don't.
>
>
> Yours faithfully,
>
> Jason J. Railton, B.Eng
When I created this presentation, I emailed Huw Millington about the creator of
the engine, since the image was on his site. He said it was so long ago that he
couldn't remember who built it, but that he "thought" it was Thomas. He
suggested I post to loc.uk asking about it. I did:
http://news.lugnet.com/loc/uk/?n=8844
I received no valid answer, so I went with the info I had.
If you are offended by this, I will remove both the image and the caption from
this presentation and resubmit it to the ILTCO.
Russell
BayLTC
PS If you look at all the versions of Thomas in the presentation, you will see
that most have four wheels.
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In lugnet.trains, Russell Clark wrote:
> When I created this presentation, I emailed Huw Millington about
> the creator of the engine, since the image was on his site. He said it
> was so long ago that he couldn't remember who built it, but that
> he "thought" it was Thomas. He suggested I post to loc.uk asking
> about it. I did:
>
> http://news.lugnet.com/loc/uk/?n=8844
>
> I received no valid answer, so I went with the info I had.
So, Millington is in on the conspiracy too? It's become something of a twisted
joke amongst the NBLTC to continually refer to this engine as 'Thomas', despite
me making four more accurate rebuilds of it since that picture was taken.
I'm not surprised there wasn't much of a reply if you posted your message on
Christmas Eve though.
I don't really mind if you leave it in as it is, but it was never intended to be
Thomas so I'm happy not be credited with it as such. I would point out to
people here that it isn't meant to be 'Thomas', so it's up to you if you want to
change anything.
> PS If you look at all the versions of Thomas in the presentation,
> you will see that most have four wheels.
Yes, I had done, hence the comment. It was probably too subtle so I'll make it
clearer. Thomas has six wheels. An 0-6-0 Tank Engine. Has anyone made one at
all with the correct number of wheels?
Jason R
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In lugnet.trains, Jason J. Railton wrote:
> In lugnet.trains, Russell Clark wrote:
> > When I created this presentation, I emailed Huw Millington about
> > the creator of the engine, since the image was on his site. He said it
> > was so long ago that he couldn't remember who built it, but that
> > he "thought" it was Thomas. He suggested I post to loc.uk asking
> > about it. I did:
> >
> > http://news.lugnet.com/loc/uk/?n=8844
> >
> > I received no valid answer, so I went with the info I had.
>
> So, Millington is in on the conspiracy too? It's become something of a twisted
> joke amongst the NBLTC to continually refer to this engine as 'Thomas',
I would take that up with the disreputable gang of ruffians that comprise the
NBLTC. From what I hear they're quite prone to taking the mick out of a stalwart
and talented fellow such as yourself at every opportunity. Especially Huw, and
Tony.
> despite
> me making four more accurate rebuilds of it since that picture was taken.
>
> I'm not surprised there wasn't much of a reply if you posted your message on
> Christmas Eve though.
>
> I don't really mind if you leave it in as it is, but it was never intended to be
> Thomas so I'm happy not be credited with it as such. I would point out to
> people here that it isn't meant to be 'Thomas', so it's up to you if you want to
> change anything.
Er, wait a minute. I'm confused. it's Eurotrash, it's kinda short, it's
blue...(or green or red or whatever, clearly not a proper steamer, as those are
BLACK), doesn't that automatically make it a Thomas??? (ducks, runs, turns
around, THEN grins)
>
> > PS If you look at all the versions of Thomas in the presentation,
> > you will see that most have four wheels.
>
> Yes, I had done, hence the comment. It was probably too subtle so I'll make it
> clearer. Thomas has six wheels. An 0-6-0 Tank Engine. Has anyone made one at
> all with the correct number of wheels?
I think I've seen a 12V version kicking around somewhere but can't be sure.
I know there was a James anyway, by J2..
http://news.lugnet.com/trains/?n=7803
Actually, root in the gallery and voila:
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=1644
a 6 coupled Thomas:
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=21269
Now quit whinging.
++Lar
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In lugnet.trains, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
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Actually, root in the gallery and voila:
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=1644
a 6 coupled Thomas:
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=21269
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Ha, looks like I’m just a bit slow today (But at least I posted a thumb in
fancy-schmancy formatted text :-D
JOHN
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In lugnet.trains, John Neal wrote:
> In lugnet.trains, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
>
> > Actually, root in the gallery and voila:
> > http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=1644
> > a 6 coupled Thomas:
> > http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=21269
>
> Ha, looks like I'm just a bit slow today
Among other days, yes.
> (But at least {I} posted a thumb in
> fancy-schmancy {formatted text} :-D
Plain text is faster.
I agree with you about C&D, that's what I thought of when I read Jason's first
post. Which was a classic...
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In lugnet.trains, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
> Er, wait a minute. I'm confused. it's Eurotrash, it's kinda short,
> it's blue...(or green or red or whatever, clearly not a proper steamer,
> as those are BLACK)...
Only because you can't be bothered to wash them. In Britain, we only ever let
diesels get quite that dirty and smelly... ::runs in opposite direction::
Jason R
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Larry Pieniazek wrote:
> Er, wait a minute. I'm confused. it's Eurotrash, it's kinda short, it's
> blue...(or green or red or whatever, clearly not a proper steamer, as
> those are BLACK), doesn't that automatically make it a Thomas??? (ducks,
> runs, turns around, THEN grins)
Time for you to do another Euro tour to discover that most Euro steamers
were black (German, most Belgium and French engines), dark green (Dutch,
some French too) or a very dark blueish (well there was the dutch NCS who
used bright yellow with brown trimmings... very stylish!)
Us Euro's might shout a bit less, but we do know our train stuff! ;)
--
Jan-Albert van Ree | http://www.vanree.net/~javanree/
LEGO Santa Fe B-unit | http://www.vanree.net/~javanree/lego/f7b.html
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> Time for you to do another Euro tour to discover that most Euro steamers
> were black (German, most Belgium and French engines), dark green (Dutch,
> some French too) or a very dark blueish (well there was the dutch NCS who
> used bright yellow with brown trimmings... very stylish!)
British steam locos were nearly all colours other than black. The exeptions were
mainly goods (freight) locos and later in BR (nationalised) times
some examples
Caledonian Railway (as per Jason's loco)- Bright blue
LBSR London Brighton and South Coast - 'Improved engine green' (actually a
mustard yellow!)
Midland Railway - Mid to Dark red
GWR Great Western Railway - Dark Green
Southern Railway - Various shades of green at different times
LNER - Mainly black but also Blue as per Mallard various greens, and even grey
and silver
In contradiction to fairly common US practice (black loco with grey/silver
smokebox) most UK locos had a black smokebox whatever their colour. Wheels were
normally the same colour as the loco (unlike German and 12V lego practice of
having red wheels) and most engines had quite extravagant lining out, with
stripe/bands around the boiler and panels on the cabsides, splasher sides
tenders and sidetanks.
Tim
Tim
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In lugnet.trains, Jan-Albert van Ree wrote:
> Larry Pieniazek wrote:
>
> > Er, wait a minute. I'm confused. it's Eurotrash, it's kinda short, it's
> > blue...(or green or red or whatever, clearly not a proper steamer, as
> > those are BLACK), doesn't that automatically make it a Thomas??? (ducks,
> > runs, turns around, THEN grins)
>
> Time for you to do another Euro tour to discover that most Euro steamers
> were black (German, most Belgium and French engines), dark green (Dutch,
> some French too) or a very dark blueish (well there was the dutch NCS who
> used bright yellow with brown trimmings... very stylish!)
>
> Us Euro's might shout a bit less, but we do know our train stuff! ;)
It's not European, it's British!!! :-)
Jason R
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Jason J Railton wrote:
> It's not European, it's British!!! :-)
Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated, for we are the European
Community! :D
--
Jan-Albert van Ree | http://www.vanree.net/~javanree/
LEGO Santa Fe B-unit | http://www.vanree.net/~javanree/lego/f7b.html
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> > So, Millington is in on the conspiracy too? It's become something of a twisted
> > joke amongst the NBLTC to continually refer to this engine as 'Thomas',
>
> I would take that up with the disreputable gang of ruffians that comprise the
> NBLTC. From what I hear they're quite prone to taking the mick out of a stalwart
> and talented fellow such as yourself at every opportunity. Especially Huw, and
> Tony.
>
> > despite
> > me making four more accurate rebuilds of it since that picture was taken.
> >
> > I'm not surprised there wasn't much of a reply if you posted your message on
> > Christmas Eve though.
> >
> > I don't really mind if you leave it in as it is, but it was never intended to be
> > Thomas so I'm happy not be credited with it as such. I would point out to
> > people here that it isn't meant to be 'Thomas', so it's up to you if you want to
> > change anything.
>
> > ++Lar
Actually, although Larry is quite correct in his statement that there have been
heard remarks of a jovial nature towards the offending engine, we didn't start
the fire!
It is entirely the general public's fault, who continually turn up and identify
Jason's little blue engine. There must be loads of experts out there all coming
to the same conclusion so we just accepted their opinion!
Tony, Huw and I all ran our own blue engines on the same layouts in fromt of the
same crowds. Nobody called them 'Thomas' though!
Despite Jason's dispute, I think the majority rules here - LET THE TRUTH BE
TOLD!
Jon
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In lugnet.trains, Jonathan Reynolds wrote:
> Actually, although Larry is quite correct in his statement that
> there have been heard remarks of a jovial nature towards the
> offending engine, we didn't start the fire!
It's not the engine that's offending...
> Tony, Huw and I all ran our own blue engines on the same layouts
> in fromt of the same crowds. Nobody called them 'Thomas' though!
To clarify, I don't believe anyone commented at all, since these offending
engines were diesels...
> Despite Jason's dispute, I think the majority rules here - LET THE TRUTH BE
> TOLD!
Amazing how it's always the short weedy ones who start crying 'democracy'
'democracy'. If the majority always ruled then you wouldn't be allowed within
500 yards of an NBLTC layout.
Jason R
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In lugnet.trains, Jason J. Railton wrote:
> In lugnet.trains, Jonathan Reynolds wrote:
> > Despite Jason's dispute, I think the majority rules here - LET THE TRUTH BE
> > TOLD!
>
> Amazing how it's always the short weedy ones who start crying 'democracy'
> 'democracy'. If the majority always ruled then you wouldn't be allowed within
> 500 yards of an NBLTC layout.
Dang! Ouch that was harsh! ;)
jt
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In lugnet.trains, James Trobaugh wrote:
> In lugnet.trains, Jason J. Railton wrote:
> > In lugnet.trains, Jonathan Reynolds wrote:
> > > Despite Jason's dispute, I think the majority rules here - LET THE TRUTH BE
> > > TOLD!
> >
> > Amazing how it's always the short weedy ones who start crying 'democracy'
> > 'democracy'. If the majority always ruled then you wouldn't be allowed within
> > 500 yards of an NBLTC layout.
>
>
> Dang! Ouch that was harsh! ;)
You should see the pile-ups he's caused!
Jason R
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In lugnet.trains, Jason J. Railton wrote:
> In lugnet.trains, James Trobaugh wrote:
> > In lugnet.trains, Jason J. Railton wrote:
> > > In lugnet.trains, Jonathan Reynolds wrote:
> > > > Despite Jason's dispute, I think the majority rules here - LET THE TRUTH BE
> > > > TOLD!
> > >
> > > Amazing how it's always the short weedy ones who start crying 'democracy'
> > > 'democracy'. If the majority always ruled then you wouldn't be allowed within
> > > 500 yards of an NBLTC layout.
> >
> >
> > Dang! Ouch that was harsh! ;)
>
> You should see the pile-ups he's caused!
>
> Jason R
Well, we are just PLAYING TRAINS guys. I happen to play hard and Lego can cope
with it!
Jon
P.S. Jason - your Thomas loco is a little unrealistic - you missed off the face
for a start.
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In lugnet.trains, Jason J. Railton wrote:
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Has anyone made one at
all with the correct number of wheels?
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Here is an early version of my Thomas fitted with a 12 volt motor:
JOHN
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> > PS If you look at all the versions of Thomas in the presentation,
> > you will see that most have four wheels.
Well- I'll add my .02$ and a LOL here- I haven't seen many 3 wheeled train locos
at all! Ergo, all of them have 4 wheels, and the 'real' ones have 6 :)
James Powell
(Complete with my mums copies of some of the books- ~1955 or so)
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In lugnet.trains, Jason J. Railton wrote:
> Sir,
(Sirs) (1)
(snip the rest)
Thank you for bringing this to our attention. We shall give your thoughtfully
worded missive exactly the amount of careful consideration that this issue
deserves.(2)
Would it were that this were the most pressing issue facing us, to be sure.
Someone ought to FUT this to the proper place...
1 - or curs, if you prefer
2 - the exact amount is left as an exercise to the reader.
++Lar
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In lugnet.trains, Jason J. Railton wrote:
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Sir,
I wish to take issue with the caption of two images in Russell Clark’s
otherwise excellent presentation, “Thomas the Tank Engine & Friends”.
On page 23 (of 27), a compound image is captioned “Thomas by unknown
modelersic (UK)”. The model clearly shows an OF class 0-4-0 saddle tank
engine in the livery of the Caledonian railway, and not an 0-6-0 (side) tank
engine in the style of the Rev. W. Awdrey’s aforementioned original creation.
I am sure the modeller (whoever he may be) is clearly aware that ‘Thomas’ has
six wheels, not four, and would be highly offended, possibly liable to fits of
mental dissociation and extreme acts of violence to hear his %$~!@*#
Caledonian 0-4-0 referred to as %$~!@*# ‘Thomas’ by one more %$~!@*# parent at
a %$~!@*# $%*@#~! train show for %$~!’s sake, don’t they know %$~!@*#
anything?
Did Reynolds put you up to this? I’ll have that $%*@#~!, I tell you. Just
you wait and see that I %$~!@*# don’t.
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lol I just finished reading my latest issue of Car & Driver magazine, and your
letter reminded me of the good humor found throughout the mag, but especially in
the letters to the editors section:-)
I agree with you that Thomas is a mixed blessing to railfans. I sympathize with
all of the proto-modelers of locos on which the Thomas characters are based.
But what are you gonna do?
As far as wheel configs go, it is pathetic that TLC hasn’t offered by now some
sort of 3 axle motor config on the 9 volt trains. I know most people think that
all of the new “train” stuff that has come out in the past few years is great,
but I would trade it all in for an actual new train part, such as a gentler
curve track section, or a 3 axle motor, or a new truck design. Those are
examples of impressive releases, TLC, not “new” locos or train cars based on 13+
year old designs.
Thanks for the laugh, Jason!
JOHN
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> snitp>
> mental dissociation and extreme acts of violence to hear his %$~!@*# Caledonian
> 0-4-0 referred to as %$~!@*# 'Thomas' by one more %$~!@*# parent at a %$~!@*#
> $%*@#~! train show for %$~!'s sake, don't they know %$~!@*# anything?
Actually this worries me a times at (non-Lego) exhibitions, the amount of
children who see a model of any steam loco and say "Thomas", its not the fact
that the loco is a tender pacific but the fact that it is green of black or
whatever, are they colour-blind?
Tim
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In lugnet.trains, Tim David wrote:
> > snitp>
> > mental dissociation and extreme acts of violence to hear his %$~!@*# Caledonian
> > 0-4-0 referred to as %$~!@*# 'Thomas' by one more %$~!@*# parent at a %$~!@*#
> > $%*@#~! train show for %$~!'s sake, don't they know %$~!@*# anything?
>
>
> Actually this worries me a times at (non-Lego) exhibitions, the amount of
> children who see a model of any steam loco and say "Thomas", its not the fact
> that the loco is a tender pacific but the fact that it is green of black or
> whatever, are they colour-blind?
>
> Tim
I usually find it's the parents who say "Ooh look, it's Thomas" to draw
attention, whilst the kids usually know better and have already decided whether
they're interested or not.
Jason R
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