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I would like to find an Austrian Rail Car. Would like to have new, unopened but will consider opened with instructions, all pieces and realistic price. Reply to me directly. keilers@uswest.net (25 years ago, 2-Feb-99, to lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade)
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(...) Do you mean a 4551? It's an engine, not a "car". If so a realistic price on this is from 90 to 160 or so, I think. A bit more for unopened. (...) Good advice if you have one of these to sell, but I posted because I don't and would rather (...) (25 years ago, 2-Feb-99, to lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade)
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Specifics are fine, but I would like to get the set. How many LEGO sets ever included the word "AUSTRIAN?" EILERS (...) (25 years ago, 3-Feb-99, to lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade)
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(...) I'm sure your heartfelt gratitude will go a long way towards helping you in your search for this set. Oh, and a search on Lugnet for "austrian" turned up four sets - none of which actually contained the word austrian and none of which, I bet, (...) (25 years ago, 3-Feb-99, to lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade)
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Hi Kurt, You are refering to 4551 Austrian Federal Republic Locomotive which in the US is called the Crocodile engine (for some reason?). I have scoured every toy store in Australia for these sort after engines and accummulated 17 of them which I (...) (25 years ago, 3-Feb-99, to lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade)
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(...) It's a bit of a misnomer, but it looks a lot like the SWISS railways loco which was nicknamed the Crocodile by the swiss, I guess because it was green and because it had long snouts. (...) Well, ALMOST unique pieces. :-) To build one, you'd (...) (25 years ago, 3-Feb-99, to lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, lugnet.trains)
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(...) Whoa! Really. It's not done with a separate brick? Having two parts that large rather than one seems rather unlike TLG parts designer. I believe you but I have to go look at mine anyway, just to marvel! (25 years ago, 3-Feb-99, to lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, lugnet.trains)
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If one wanted to be anal about details, Lar, one would have to recognize that the cab front on the 4563 has a 2x4 notch in front to allow for the headlight cord to pass, whereas the 4551 does not, which would make them unique:) (...) (25 years ago, 3-Feb-99, to lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, lugnet.trains)
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Larry Pieniazek wrote in message <36B8BDBD.3A7CD23A@v...er.net>... (...) There are at least 2 variants of that piece. I can't remember the details off-hand, but I have 2 4563's one of which has one type, and the other the other type. The (...) (25 years ago, 4-Feb-99, to lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, lugnet.trains)
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(...) YES PLEASE! This seems fodder for Matt Bates's site... this piece is used in only two sets and comes in two versions?? How fascinating. How often does THAT happen? (25 years ago, 4-Feb-99, to lugnet.trains, lugnet.build)
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(...) Do you still have some. open or not What would be the price for shipping to Canada? Martin mlegault@nortelnetworks.com (25 years ago, 4-Feb-99, to lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade)
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Hi. I've seen the question of why the 4551 is referred to as "crocodile" posted a couple times so here's a little background... Lego set #4551, while not prototype, bears a striking resemblance to the Austrian Federal Railways class 1020 electric (...) (25 years ago, 5-Feb-99, to lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade)
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Hi. I've seen the question of why the 4551 is referred to as "crocodile" posted a couple times so here's a little background... Lego set #4551, while not prototype, bears a striking resemblance to the Austrian Federal Railways class 1020 electric (...) (25 years ago, 5-Feb-99, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) The Great Book of Trains by Brian Hollingsworth & Arthur Cook has a photo of No. 1020.14 in red with white stripe and a 2 page drawing of No. 1020.38 also red with white stripe. There is also an photo of No. 1020.41 in the colour of dark (...) (25 years ago, 5-Feb-99, to lugnet.trains)
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Brian Williams wrote in message <36BA6F61.D6E@ameritech.net>... (...) If you care to have a look at a LEGO version of the original Swiss green Crocodile, check out: (URL) select trains, then crocodile from the menu. Unfortunately however, our (...) (25 years ago, 5-Feb-99, to lugnet.trains)
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Brian Williams wrote: Great post (...) But I disagree with the above. :-) How serious did you want me to be?? :-) The 4551 is one of the finest 9V sets (I put it right behind metroliner) (25 years ago, 5-Feb-99, to lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade)
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"you keep using that word...." (...) (25 years ago, 5-Feb-99, to lugnet.trains)
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John Neal wrote (...) Railcar (all one word) is used in Brit practice to refer to an engine-and-carriage (passenger car) all in one combination. Usually diesel. They were in use quite early - before WWII I think - on the GWR (not a GWR buff myself, (...) (25 years ago, 5-Feb-99, to lugnet.trains)
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I too have both variants of 4563, although I only have instructions for 1 version. I have both versions of 4551, with instructions. Jonathon Huw Millington wrote in message ... (...) I'll (...) (25 years ago, 5-Feb-99, to lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, lugnet.trains)
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In a situation where f2f contact is not possible (such as here), being as precise as possible is necessary to insure misunderstandings and unnecessary flamages don't occur. Just refer to it as 4551 or the name Lego calls it, not "Rail car" or (...) (25 years ago, 6-Feb-99, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Argh. So much for being 9V complete. at least until I check to see what I have. Maybe I got lucky... (25 years ago, 7-Feb-99, to lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, lugnet.trains)
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(...) US practice as well. Other terms for such a beast are Doodlebug and RDC. (Rail Diesel Car), both of which originally referred to the products of a specific firm. The notion is that one of these units can take the place of a whole train, (...) (25 years ago, 7-Feb-99, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) I have several but even if I intended to sell, I shan't sell to someone that isn't interested in the correct terminology. (...) Rather late for that, I'd say. (...) And the reason we are discussing this, strange as it may seem to you, as you (...) (25 years ago, 7-Feb-99, to lugnet.trains)
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No, not what you think!!! I forgot something that interested readers may find interesting. And uninteresting (1) readers should feel free to push N now. (...) Note that "dummy" in model parlance means exactly the opposite of what it means in real (...) (25 years ago, 7-Feb-99, to lugnet.trains)
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Larry P wrote (...) LOL! I can just see the dummy "coach", puffing surreptitiously as it trundles along the elevated tracks, with every horse on the road belwo rearing and shying as it passes. Kevin (25 years ago, 7-Feb-99, to lugnet.trains)
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Kurt, there's a 4551 on eBay at the moment. Current high bid is 162.50. The url is: (URL) you can just do a search there on lego 4551. Kevin (25 years ago, 8-Feb-99, to lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, lugnet.trains)
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I have posted details at (URL) sure I posted this message on Friday, but I can't see where it went, what with the reply-to's being all over the place on this thread! Huw Larry Pieniazek wrote in message <36BDBA06.8C10F975@v...er.net>... (...) (25 years ago, 8-Feb-99, to lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, lugnet.trains)
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(...) I know we can say many ugly things about 4559, but isn't it a rail car? Non-LEGO examples of rail cars are (if I understand the terminology correctly): - ER-IR4 <URL:(URL) - "S-trains" <URL:(URL) - IC3 <URL:(URL) ER-IR4 and the "S-trains" are (...) (25 years ago, 9-Feb-99, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) I would tend to say not, as to me, the defining characteristic of a railcar (or a street car, for that matter) is that it has two trucks (rather than articulated the way the 4559 lead unit is) and that it contains the entire "stuff" of a (...) (25 years ago, 9-Feb-99, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) The listed units can all operate on their own. It was the IC3 (three box diesel version of the IR4) that were tested in the US. There are pictures from the test runs at <URL:(URL). Play well, Jacob ---...--- -- E-mail: (...) (25 years ago, 11-Feb-99, to lugnet.trains)
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