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| | | I know that the LDraw software remains the intellectual property of James Jessiman's immediate family. But what about the parts (primitives, parts) database as a whole? Is it the property of James Jessiman's immediate family as well? Or is it free (...) (25 years ago, 16-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | | | | Re: Is the LDraw parts database free? —Leonardo Zide
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| | | | | (...) You forgot that there's a DOS emulator for Unix and you don't need to run the .EXE files, they are ARJ self extracting archives so running "arj x file.exe" will extract the files as well (and arj can be easily found for Linux systems, it's (...) (25 years ago, 16-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | | | | | | Re: Is the LDraw parts database free? —Fredrik Glöckner
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| | | | | | (...) Yes, but most people would probably prefer not to install DOSEMU or a similar program unless they have to. (...) Ok, I've never heard this before, and it's not in the FAQ. But now that I know, this is valuable information. (...) Yes, unarj (...) (25 years ago, 16-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Is the LDraw parts database free? —Leonardo Zide
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| | | | | | (...) I thought everybody knew that. :) (...) This is not the kind of thing that would be in the FAQ. I just said that because I was probably the only person who ever asked permission to use the LDraw library in another program. Maybe Tore had the (...) (25 years ago, 17-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Is the LDraw parts database free? —John VanZwieten
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| | | | | | | Leonardo Zide <leonardo@centroin.com.br> wrote in message news:3831F66E.B12CD0....com.br... (...) A number of people _are_ using parts from the LDraw database to help make a profit. Parts auctions, and even a supplier of "homebrew" sensors are (...) (25 years ago, 17-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Is the LDraw parts database free? —Martyn Boogaarts
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| | | | | | | | (...) I have mailed with Jammes Jessiman about selling the parts, and program he made. This was his answer: You may sell it as long as you keep the parts and program together and proper. He ment I could distribute it as if I was the internet I could (...) (25 years ago, 18-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Is the LDraw parts database free? —Fredrik Glöckner
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| | | | | | | | (...) I'm afraid I don't fully understand what you mean here. On the second last line, are you saying that you could distribute it on the internet, provided that you keep the program and the parts together and made sure that it was a fully working (...) (25 years ago, 19-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Is the LDraw parts database free? —Martyn Boogaarts
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| | | | | | | | (...) YES, I know that is why I posted it ! This conversation with Jammes was in the early beginning of his Ldraw(1995). I think Jammes wanted _his_ parts to be(come) a standard and because Leonardo Zide made a windows based programm he wanted to (...) (24 years ago, 25-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Is the LDraw parts database free? —Leonardo Zide
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| | | | | | | | (...) Sorry, I missed your post and now I'm replying to the reply. :) I was allowed to distribute the parts without the software only because I was distributing them in a *modified* format. James didn't want me to distribute the original .DAT files, (...) (24 years ago, 25-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Is the LDraw parts database free? —Martyn Boogaarts
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| | | | | | | | (...) like I said Jammes wanted a standard : not a comercial product ! greetings martyn (24 years ago, 25-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Is the LDraw parts database free? —Martyn Boogaarts
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| | | | | | | | (...) Jammes should be JAMES JESSIMAN major typo error :( (...) (24 years ago, 25-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Is the LDraw parts database free? —Fredrik Glöckner
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| | | | | | (...) If you've had to say it a hundred times already, I think it _should_ be in the FAQ. That's what FAQs are for, isn't it? Frequently answered questions. (...) Nah, I wouldn't say so. The parts database isn't distributed with LDLITE. Sure, LDLITE (...) (25 years ago, 18-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | | | | Re: Is the LDraw parts database free? —Anders Isaksson
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| | | | | Fredrik Glöckner skrev i meddelandet ... (...) This question has been on my mind too a bit, as I have thought of the possibility to 'import' LDRAW parts to BlockCAD (with a lot of manual massaging of course, but still using the work done on the (...) (25 years ago, 16-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | | | | Re: Is the LDraw parts database free? —Jacob Sparre Andersen
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| | | | | [ Just for the record: IANAL ] Fredrik: (...) The _collection_ of LDraw files is strictly speaking owned collectively by all of us who in some way have contributed to the collection. The _individual_ LDraw files are owned by whoever worked on them. (...) (25 years ago, 17-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | | | | Re: Is the LDraw parts database free? —Steve Bliss
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| | | | | (...) The files James published are copyrighted, and his family has control on the copyright. They have given 'us', the L-CAD group, permission to continue to publish and maintain his work. The additional parts, as Jacob said, are copyrighted by (...) (25 years ago, 17-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | | | | | | Re: Is the LDraw parts database free? —Fredrik Glöckner
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| | | | | | | (...) I agree with this statement, but I was hoping that we could have this stated in a more formal way somewhere. I find this very important as people spend hundreds of hours of work on the parts which are donated to the LDraw community. (...) I (...) (25 years ago, 18-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | | | | | | Re: Is the LDraw parts database free? —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | I'm not so keen on seeing the parts GPLed as I don't want to be in the business of handling requests for the parts library if I give someone some instructions that were made using them. Be very careful before you GPL something, it conveys specific (...) (25 years ago, 18-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Is the LDraw parts database free? —Jonathan Wilson
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| | | | | | | (...) The clause in the GPL refers to "source code" i.e. something which can be compiled into an executable program. -- Jonathan Wilson wilsonj@xoommail.com (URL) (25 years ago, 18-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Is the LDraw parts database free? —Christian Holtje
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| | | | | | | | | * Jonathan Wilson (wilsonj@xoommail.com) [991118 10:09]: (...) GPL refers to source code and binaries, and the fact that shipping a binary only won't let you fix problems your self (RMS has a story about a #$*#$& printer that, if they had the driver (...) (25 years ago, 18-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Is the LDraw parts database free? —Fredrik Glöckner
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| | | | | | | | | | The Doctor What <docwhat@gerf.org> writes: [ snipped the Gnu Manual License ] (...) This is probably quite similar to the X11 License I posted in my previous post, and I think something like that would suffice for the parts library. Fredrik (25 years ago, 19-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Is the LDraw parts database free? —Jacob Sparre Andersen
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| | | | | | | | Jonathan Wilson: (...) In our case the source code is files in LDraw format, and the "executable programs" are derivations such as POV-Ray files, raytraces, and LDraw output in general. Play well, Jacob ---...--- -- E-mail: sparre@cats.nbi.dk -- -- (...) (25 years ago, 19-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Is the LDraw parts database free? —Steve Bliss
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| | | | | | (...) Good point. I haven't read the GPL lately, and I have a bad memory for license details. Steve (25 years ago, 18-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | | | | Re: Is the LDraw parts database free? —Steve Bliss
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| | | | (...) So do we want to clearly delineate what people can, and cannot, do with the parts library? Or is it better to leave it fuzzy? If people have to ask permission before doing certain actions (such as translating and/or redistributing), who do (...) (25 years ago, 18-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | | | | | Re: Is the LDraw parts database free? —Fredrik Glöckner
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| | | | | (...) It's the fuzziness I dislike. I would like to see some clear legal terms for the use of the parts. About the "community created" parts library, not the ones made by James Jessiman, I agree with Larry Pieniazek that the GPL is a bit too (...) (25 years ago, 19-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | | | | | | Re: Is the LDraw parts database free? —John VanZwieten
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| | | | | | Fredrik Glöckner <fredrik.glockner@bio.uio.no> wrote in message news:m3u2mipne0.fsf@....uio.no... (...) There absolutely is a creative process going on when modeling a part. If you gave 10 people the challenge of modeling the TIE cockpit piece, I (...) (25 years ago, 19-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Is the LDraw parts database free? —Fredrik Glöckner
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| | | | | | (...) I'll agree with you. There is definitively a creative process going on when modeling brick, possibly except for the very simplest ones. (...) Yes, but these differences reflect the format, not the author, don't they? Fredrik (24 years ago, 20-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | | | | | Re: Is the LDraw parts database free? —Jacob Sparre Andersen
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| | | | Steve: (...) It is preferable that it is clear what can and can not be done with the library. Otherwise people will come and ask us "all the time". (...) People shouldn't have to ask for permission to do anything we can agree it is reasonable to let (...) (25 years ago, 19-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | | | | | Re: Is the LDraw parts database free? —Christian Holtje
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| | | | * Jacob Sparre Andersen (sparre@sys-323.risoe.dk) [991119 10:29]: (...) Even worse; Giving a part to the part-library gives up certain rights to the part. If it isn't clear what rights exist, then people may not make parts for the part-library. I (...) (25 years ago, 19-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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