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Hey all,
You may have noticed that I did some containers recently for the PNLTC world
record event. Well part of that discussion tailed off into the possibility of
doing boxcars. I don't know if the boxcar idea will come to fruition or not
but it inspired me to give it a try.
Unlike the Containers which required little or no thought I decided to really
try and give the boxcar some detail. I included fake sliding doors and a hand
break. I am also very happy with how the roof came out.
Partly because I have limited train supplies and partly because I wanted to see
how it works I did not use the bogie plates for this model. Instead I used the
2x2 turntable and it seems to work pretty well although it does not stand up
real well when the car is picked up repeatedly.
I basically used some G scale boxcars that I have for some ideas.
Anyway I have added a new Train section to my website. For those of you new to
my site all pictures are thumbnailed so just click on the pictures to see
larger views.
http://www.nelug.org/members/kingsley/
or to go directly to the train site...
http://www.nelug.org/members/kingsley/train/
Now all I need is an engine and I'll be all set.
Please Let me know what you think seeing this is my first Train MOC.
Thanks,
Eric Kingsley
The New England LEGO Users Group
http://www.nelug.org/
View My Creations at:
http://www.nelug.org/members/kingsley/
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Eric-
Nice work for a rookie;-) That is my favorite box car to model-- the ol' 40
footer. A couple of nits:
1. Loose the buffers. We are in America-- land of the free, and home of the
bufferless;-) Use the 2x3 black plate with one side rounded and a hole (
http://home.att.net/~partsref/images/3176.gif ), or <<**PURITY ALERT**>> cut the
buffers straight off. That actually works rather nicely; you can do it and make
it appear as an actual element.
2. Take a good look at your proto box cars. I think you'll find that the wheels
on the outside of the trucks are about even with the edge of the box car, which
would mean for you to move each truck 1 stud to the outside.
The 2x2 round table is a nice piece to use; it saves on a lot of hassling around
IMO. I use them almost exclusively.
Now you need to try one 8 wide;-D
-John
Eric Kingsley wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> You may have noticed that I did some containers recently for the PNLTC world
> record event. Well part of that discussion tailed off into the possibility of
> doing boxcars. I don't know if the boxcar idea will come to fruition or not
> but it inspired me to give it a try.
>
> Unlike the Containers which required little or no thought I decided to really
> try and give the boxcar some detail. I included fake sliding doors and a hand
> break. I am also very happy with how the roof came out.
>
> Partly because I have limited train supplies and partly because I wanted to see
> how it works I did not use the bogie plates for this model. Instead I used the
> 2x2 turntable and it seems to work pretty well although it does not stand up
> real well when the car is picked up repeatedly.
>
> I basically used some G scale boxcars that I have for some ideas.
>
> Anyway I have added a new Train section to my website. For those of you new to
> my site all pictures are thumbnailed so just click on the pictures to see
> larger views.
>
> http://www.nelug.org/members/kingsley/
>
> or to go directly to the train site...
>
> http://www.nelug.org/members/kingsley/train/
>
> Now all I need is an engine and I'll be all set.
>
> Please Let me know what you think seeing this is my first Train MOC.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Eric Kingsley
>
> The New England LEGO Users Group
> http://www.nelug.org/
>
> View My Creations at:
> http://www.nelug.org/members/kingsley/
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In lugnet.trains, John Neal writes:
> Eric-
>
> Nice work for a rookie;-) That is my favorite box car to model-- the ol' 40
> footer. A couple of nits:
Thanks!
>
> 1. Loose the buffers. We are in America-- land of the free, and home of the
> bufferless;-) Use the 2x3 black plate with one side rounded and a hole (
> http://home.att.net/~partsref/images/3176.gif ), or <<**PURITY ALERT**>> cut
> the buffers straight off. That actually works rather nicely; you can do it
> and make it appear as an actual element.
Ahh! Excellent Idea. I will make the change. Unfortunately I don't have a
lot of these in black but I should have a couple. If I followed this group
closer I would have known what to use.
>
> 2. Take a good look at your proto box cars. I think you'll find that the
> wheels on the outside of the trucks are about even with the edge of the box
> car, which would mean for you to move each truck 1 stud to the outside.
Done! I knew something didn't look right with the trucks but for some reason
it didn't click.
>
> The 2x2 round table is a nice piece to use; it saves on a lot of hassling
> around IMO. I use them almost exclusively.
Cool I thought I had seen many people using these before but I couldn't
remember.
>
> Now you need to try one 8 wide;-D
Actually many times while I have been thinking of an engine to model I have
thought to my self "Only if it were 8 wide not 6 it would be so much easier".
I am going to try and stay with 6 wide though but we'll see.
>
> -John
Thanks again,
Eric
> > Anyway I have added a new Train section to my website. For those of you new
> > to my site all pictures are thumbnailed so just click on the pictures to see
> > larger views.
> >
> > http://www.nelug.org/members/kingsley/
> >
> > or to go directly to the train site...
> >
> > http://www.nelug.org/members/kingsley/train/
> >
> > Now all I need is an engine and I'll be all set.
> >
> > Please Let me know what you think seeing this is my first Train MOC.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Eric Kingsley
> >
> > The New England LEGO Users Group
> > http://www.nelug.org/
> >
> > View My Creations at:
> > http://www.nelug.org/members/kingsley/
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In lugnet.trains, Eric Kingsley writes:
> Please Let me know what you think seeing this is my first Train MOC.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Eric Kingsley
Good work Eric!
I think this could be the beginning of an expensive hobby!
Regards
Ben
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In lugnet.trains, Eric Kingsley writes:
> Hey all,
>
> You may have noticed that I did some containers recently for the PNLTC world
> record event. Well part of that discussion tailed off into the possibility of
> doing boxcars. I don't know if the boxcar idea will come to fruition or not
> but it inspired me to give it a try.
Very nice try. Lots of good detail. Since you don't have bogie plates (which
are cheap, go get some) or a floor plate (which I feel isn't worth the money,
doing it with regular plates is the way to go) another alternative to the
turntable which is sturdier is to use the 2x2 tile with center technic pin
plugged into a properly hollowed technic plate assembly in the floor.
Re the OSHA comment on the page (I can't believe I get personal references on
web pages, but ah, well, such is the price of fame)... your box car somehow
(with the large "billboard" graphics, and relative shortness) says 1920s-1930s
to me. If that's the era, there was no OSHA and ladder rungs to the roof
leading to a vertical rod (horizontal wheel) brakewheel are extremely
prototypical. Change to the 50's and it's a high mount vertical wheel, change
to the 80.s and it's a low mount (reachable from one or two rungs) vertical
wheel. So you're fine. The hobo is a nice touch.
Doors don't need a recessed area so bring that recess back out flush. I know
we're faking it doorwise, but a too thick "door" is less distracting than a
hollow in the side of the wall. (a real door is typically about 2 inches thick
or so made of pressed steel with reinforcing ribs.
Great work. Now do one for the Construction Site (in different colors, natch)
++Lar
Ignore John Neal about the buffers if you want, most of us use them even though
they are indeed unprototypical for US practice. Or take his advice, he has
worked out some very good ways to be "bufferless".
I was by the PNLTC last nite, dropped off some track and some rolling stock.
Expect to see my doodlebug or a purpose built replica, my street car, a grey
hopper, the RailBox, and my double stack car, if you come to the show.
++Lar
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In lugnet.trains, Eric Kingsley writes:
> Mr. 8 wide/darkside said:
> Ahh! Excellent Idea. I will make the change. Unfortunately I don't have a
> lot of these in black but I should have a couple. If I followed this group
> closer I would have known what to use.
>
> >
> > 2. Take a good look at your proto box cars. I think you'll find that the
> > wheels on the outside of the trucks are about even with the edge of the box
> > car, which would mean for you to move each truck 1 stud to the outside.
>
> Done! I knew something didn't look right with the trucks but for some reason
> it didn't click.
>
> >
> > The 2x2 round table is a nice piece to use; it saves on a lot of hassling
> > around IMO. I use them almost exclusively.
I just totally disagree, it is a very weak connection, you can't pick the car
up by the body, the trucks fall off. But it's cheap, those parts are easy to
come by and you save a lot of plates in the floor.
> Actually many times while I have been thinking of an engine to model I have
> thought to my self "Only if it were 8 wide not 6 it would be so much easier".
> I am going to try and stay with 6 wide though but we'll see.
Mr. 8Wide: "<ppssss-chhhhhuh> The force is strong in this one, master"
Everyone: "Eric, don't give in to the dark side!"
++Lar
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In lugnet.trains, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> In lugnet.trains, Eric Kingsley writes:
> > Hey all,
> >
> > You may have noticed that I did some containers recently for the PNLTC world
> > record event. Well part of that discussion tailed off into the possibility
> > of doing boxcars. I don't know if the boxcar idea will come to fruition or
> > not but it inspired me to give it a try.
>
> Very nice try. Lots of good detail. Since you don't have bogie plates (which
> are cheap, go get some) or a floor plate (which I feel isn't worth the money,
> doing it with regular plates is the way to go) another alternative to the
> turntable which is sturdier is to use the 2x2 tile with center technic pin
> plugged into a properly hollowed technic plate assembly in the floor.
Thanks, I will try that at some point although I don't have a lot of technic
plates to work with either. Probably enough for a couple cars but not a lot.
The 2x2 tile is a great idea I should have thought of that.
>
> Re the OSHA comment on the page (I can't believe I get personal references on
> web pages, but ah, well, such is the price of fame)... your box car somehow
> (with the large "billboard" graphics, and relative shortness) says 1920s-1930s
> to me. If that's the era, there was no OSHA and ladder rungs to the roof
> leading to a vertical rod (horizontal wheel) brakewheel are extremely
> prototypical. Change to the 50's and it's a high mount vertical wheel, change
> to the 80.s and it's a low mount (reachable from one or two rungs) vertical
> wheel. So you're fine. The hobo is a nice touch.
Cool so I can let my rider get squashed and I won't get in trouble for it :-).
>
> Doors don't need a recessed area so bring that recess back out flush. I know
> we're faking it doorwise, but a too thick "door" is less distracting than a
> hollow in the side of the wall. (a real door is typically about 2 inches thick
> or so made of pressed steel with reinforcing ribs.
Actually I think you are "misteaken" this time Larry, There is no recessed
area on the car :-). The black makes it hard to make out but I actually used
12 1x2 tiles with center stud turned so 1/3 of the tile sticks out above and
below the doors on both sides to create a lip that the door itself fits tightly
between. The door is held on with a 1x2 plate with 1x4 bracket with the plate
for the door attached to the bracked in the holes instead of the normal
attachement.
So the long and short of it is that the wall of the car is not recessed but I
have tried to simulate the track for the door. I really like it myself so its
going to stay. I have to take a couple more pictures of it tonight so maybe I
will try and get a better picture of the door and the simulated door rails.
>
> Great work. Now do one for the Construction Site (in different colors, natch)
I was thinking about it. I need to go down there soon anyway and I was going
to ask them if it was OK.
>
> ++Lar
>
> Ignore John Neal about the buffers if you want, most of us use them even
> though they are indeed unprototypical for US practice. Or take his advice, he
> has worked out some very good ways to be "bufferless".
Well I did try going bufferless and I like it. Although I don't have a ton of
the 2x2 plates with rounded extensions to do very many like this and I don't
want to take a knife to my parts just yet. I did notice however that I had to
put the magnet culper un upside down so that it would line up relatively well
with cars using the buffers.
>
> I was by the PNLTC last nite, dropped off some track and some rolling stock.
> Expect to see my doodlebug or a purpose built replica, my street car, a grey
> hopper, the RailBox, and my double stack car, if you come to the show.
Cool, Sounds like there is going to be a great variety of stuff running for
the world record.
Eric Kingsley
The New England LEGO Users Group
http://www.nelug.org/
View My Creations at:
http://www.nelug.org/members/kingsley/
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Eric,
Very nice work. I can't see exactly how the fake doors are done. Can you (or
someone) give me some pointers on using a plate as a sliding door?
Bryan Kinkel
(still working on his first MOC engine)
"Eric Kingsley" <kingsley@nelug.org> wrote in message
news:<FvrCEM.L9C@lugnet.com>...
> Hey all,
>
> You may have noticed that I did some containers recently for the PNLTC • world
> record event. Well part of that discussion tailed off into the • possibility of
> doing boxcars. I don't know if the boxcar idea will come to fruition or • not
> but it inspired me to give it a try.
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Larry Pieniazek wrote:
> Ignore John Neal about the buffers if you want, most of us use them even though
> they are indeed unprototypical for US practice. Or take his advice, he has
> worked out some very good ways to be "bufferless".
I need to consider going bufferless. Thanks to my purchases of 6716 to
get cannon for my pirate ships I have a TON of those 2x3 rounded plates
with hole in black.
--
Frank Filz
-----------------------------
Work: mailto:ffilz@us.ibm.com (business only please)
Home: mailto:ffilz@mindspring.com
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In lugnet.trains, Bryan Kinkel writes:
> Eric,
> Very nice work. I can't see exactly how the fake doors are done. Can you (or
> someone) give me some pointers on using a plate as a sliding door?
Bryan,
I posted a description of the door setup at almost the same time you posted
this message. So heres a link...
http://www.lugnet.com/trains/?n=6182
Thanks,
Eric Kingsley,
The New England LEGO Users Group
http://www.nelug.org/
View My Creations at:
http://www.nelug.org/members/kingsley/
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In lugnet.trains, John Neal writes:
> Eric-
>
> Nice work for a rookie;-) That is my favorite box car to model-- the ol' 40
> footer. A couple of nits:
First thanks to everyone that posted or E-mailed me comments and suggestions.
I have made a couple of small changes to the NELUG boxcar according to some of
your suggestions.
1. I moved the trucks out toward the ends more.
2. I lost the bumpers (Thanks John, I like the look although I don't know if
I will do this for all my cars or not because of my lack of the proper parts).
3. You can't see it but I used Larry's suggestion of the 2x2 tile with center
peg and some technic plates instead of the 2x2 turntable to attach the trucks
to the car. Also a bit of an expensive mod but it is definitely more secure.
4. (My favorite) We came up with this at the NELUG meeting last night. We
changed the head of the Hobo with the new Scorpion Guy's head from the new Race
sets. Now he really has that "bitter beer taste" look on his face.
I have added pictures to the page and I added a couple of pics and a
description of how I handled the fake doors at the bottom of the page.
http://www.nelug.org/members/kingsley/train/boxcar/
Thanks again for all the suggestions. I really like the car now. We'll see
how far down the road of LEGO Trains this takes me.
Eric Kingsley
The New England LEGO Users Group
http://www.nelug.org/
View my creations at:
http://www.nelug.org/members/kingsley/
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