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Subject: 
Re: PNLTC to break Guinness record!
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Fri, 2 Jun 2000 03:44:57 GMT
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In lugnet.trains, Ben Fleskes writes:
"It's a snap with LEGO: Enthusiasts' Club Attempts Train Track World Record"

The Pacific Northwest Lego Train Club (PNLTC) has announced plans to set a
new record for the Guinness Book with a display featuring model trains,
track, and structures -- all made of LEGO bricks.  Scheduled to be held
August 17-20th in the Center House at the Seattle Center, Seattle,
Washington, the "Year2000 LEGO Train Layout" is expected to break a current
record of nearly 1800 feet set in 1992.

Scenes within the exhibit shall include a modern city skyline, wild west
area, European city, sprawling waterway and port area, airport, and
trainyard.  In addition to the group's hallmark of dynamic, ever-changing
displays, a number of train and track records such as "longest-, fastest-,
most-, and largest-" shall be set.  The public is also invited to
participate in the layout: a canned food donation benefiting Northwest
Harvest, a local foodbank hunger program, will allow builders to place
creations on the layout using bricks onhand.

The event is officially co-sponsored by the LEGO Company and the Seattle
Center.  PNLTC is a private, non-profit organization providing a forum for
adult LEGO collectors to build, share ideas, and display their creations.
The club mounts popular displays at public expositions and charity
fundraisers throughout the Seattle-Portland area.


Boy this is great news! It’s looking good for LTC all around the US, I guess
were going to have to do something special down here in Florida, just to keep
up? But I don’t think we can top this one! Oh well, will do something note
worthy one of these day:)

Here an idea for the event. How about we get all the LTC and LUG to send one
locomotive in there club's colors with there club's logo on it, for a group
train record? “The World’s First Unified Club Super Train” All we would do is
make a special locomotives and mail them to you(PNLTC). You would run them at
the event and of coarse you would send them back to us after:)

Build on...
Robin Werner
GFLTC
http://member.xoom.com/gfltc


Subject: 
Re: PNLTC to break Guinness record!
Newsgroups: 
lugnet.trains
Date: 
Fri, 2 Jun 2000 07:17:58 GMT
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Robin,
the locos sound like a great idea -- I'll forward to the group but it should
fly.  As an option, how about standard LEGO containers in club colors and
logos?  Just imagine a complete container train representing all the
organizations.  dp/PNLTC
In lugnet.trains, Robin Werner writes:
<snip>
Here an idea for the event. How about we get all the LTC and LUG to send one
locomotive in there club's colors with there club's logo on it, for a group
train record? “The World’s First Unified Club Super Train” All we would do is
make a special locomotives and mail them to you(PNLTC). You would run them at
the event and of coarse you would send them back to us after:)

Build on...
Robin Werner
GFLTC
http://member.xoom.com/gfltc


Subject: 
Re: PNLTC to break Guinness record!
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lugnet.trains
Date: 
Fri, 2 Jun 2000 09:33:08 GMT
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Dan,
can you see if this rather good idea is going to happen as those of us in
Europe will need to get it planned and built, and then send across the pond
in time.  Perhaps you could post a .DAT file or some pictures on Brickshelf
that will act as a reference for the standard shape and size for these
container wagons.  If you give the okay, I think you guys might get a flood
a container cars from all the corners of the world.

Nicholas Allan
"Dan Parker" <dnvpark@gte.net> wrote in message
news:FvIMxy.5E9@lugnet.com...
Robin,
the locos sound like a great idea -- I'll forward to the group but it • should
fly.  As an option, how about standard LEGO containers in club colors and
logos?  Just imagine a complete container train representing all the
organizations.  dp/PNLTC
In lugnet.trains, Robin Werner writes:
<snip>
Here an idea for the event. How about we get all the LTC and LUG to send • one
locomotive in there club's colors with there club's logo on it, for a • group
train record? "The World's First Unified Club Super Train" All we would • do is
make a special locomotives and mail them to you(PNLTC). You would run • them at
the event and of coarse you would send them back to us after:)

Build on...
Robin Werner
GFLTC
http://member.xoom.com/gfltc


Subject: 
Re: PNLTC to break Guinness record!
Newsgroups: 
lugnet.trains
Date: 
Fri, 2 Jun 2000 13:13:22 GMT
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In lugnet.trains, Nicholas Allan writes:
Dan,
can you see if this rather good idea is going to happen as those of us in
Europe will need to get it planned and built, and then send across the pond
in time.  Perhaps you could post a .DAT file or some pictures on Brickshelf

I think Dan means the container that Lego has done several times in sets, it's
4x8 base and has appeared in at least 4549.

http://www.lugnet.com/pause/search/?query=4549

There is another size too... 4x16. Both are the same height and have the same
bottom and top "attachment" points. That's probably a better choice.

A special scan is not necessary, just refer to the 4549 building instructions:
http://www.brickshelf.com/scans/4000/4549/

Hope that helps.

Now, it's a good point that containers by themselves need cars. THERE, the
standard is a bit less clear. The 4549 is very unprototypical and I'd rather
see a good easily reproducable articulated doublestack design (such as mine or
the PNLTC Thrall-ish car) used.

I know for sure I will be sending at LEAST a container. Probably more like a
bin of track and a bunch of cars. BTW, I saw my coach that has been on
"permanent" loan to PNLTC the other night and it's still hanging in there.

++Lar


Subject: 
Re: PNLTC to break Guinness record!
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lugnet.trains
Date: 
Fri, 2 Jun 2000 13:16:02 GMT
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In lugnet.trains, Nicholas Allan writes:
Dan,
can you see if this rather good idea is going to happen as those of us in
Europe will need to get it planned and built, and then send across the pond
in time.  Perhaps you could post a .DAT file or some pictures on Brickshelf

PS, remember that the exact design shown, for example, here:

http://www.brickshelf.com/scans/4000/4549/4549-03.html

doesn't need to be adhered to. Just the form factor. Most of my containers are
solid and don't have end doors, they're made out of ordinary bricks to reduce
cost. But they mate just fine with the containers from 4549 or launch & load
seaport...

++Lar (container crazy)


Subject: 
Re: PNLTC to break Guinness record!
Newsgroups: 
lugnet.trains, lugnet.loc.au
Date: 
Fri, 2 Jun 2000 13:17:04 GMT
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Nicholas Allan wrote:

Dan,
can you see if this rather good idea is going to happen as those of us in
Europe will need to get it planned and built, and then send across the pond
in time.  Perhaps you could post a .DAT file or some pictures on Brickshelf
that will act as a reference for the standard shape and size for these
container wagons.  If you give the okay, I think you guys might get a flood
a container cars from all the corners of the world.

Nicholas Allan
"Dan Parker" <dnvpark@gte.net> wrote in message
news:FvIMxy.5E9@lugnet.com...
Robin,
the locos sound like a great idea -- I'll forward to the group but it • should
fly.  As an option, how about standard LEGO containers in club colors and
logos?  Just imagine a complete container train representing all the
organizations.  dp/PNLTC
In lugnet.trains, Robin Werner writes:
<snip>
Here an idea for the event. How about we get all the LTC and LUG to send • one
locomotive in there club's colors with there club's logo on it, for a • group
train record? "The World's First Unified Club Super Train" All we would • do is
make a special locomotives and mail them to you(PNLTC). You would run • them at
the event and of coarse you would send them back to us after:)

Build on...
Robin Werner
GFLTC
http://member.xoom.com/gfltc
Anyone in australia that can make one of these cars, please do, I would
like to see an aussie container in this train. If we had 1 car from
every lego club/train club in the world (or as close to it as we can
get) then that might even be another record, most people owning lego in
the one train :)


Subject: 
Re: PNLTC to break Guinness record!
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lugnet.trains, lugnet.org.us.nelug
Date: 
Fri, 2 Jun 2000 13:31:33 GMT
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In lugnet.trains, Dan Parker writes:
Robin,
the locos sound like a great idea -- I'll forward to the group but it should
fly.  As an option, how about standard LEGO containers in club colors and
logos?  Just imagine a complete container train representing all the
organizations.  dp/PNLTC

Robin & Dan,

This is comming from a non-train guy from a non-train group (NELUG).  This
sounds like a great idea.  I know Larry P. posted what he felt a standard
container would be and thats a good idea too.  I personally have a small amount
of train stuff and I could put something together for this I think.

One idea I had for NELUG would be to have a flatbed (Terminoligy ?) car
carrying the NELUG Logo (Which I already have made).  If thats a possibility
let me know and I can put it together, take some pic's, and send it off.

This sounds like one super event!!

Eric Kingsley

The New England LEGO Users Group
http://www.nelug.org/

View My Creations at:
http://www.nelug.org/members/kingsley/


In lugnet.trains, Robin Werner writes:
<snip>
Here an idea for the event. How about we get all the LTC and LUG to send one
locomotive in there club's colors with there club's logo on it, for a group
train record? “The World’s First Unified Club Super Train” All we would do is
make a special locomotives and mail them to you(PNLTC). You would run them at
the event and of coarse you would send them back to us after:)

Build on...
Robin Werner
GFLTC
http://member.xoom.com/gfltc


Subject: 
Re: PNLTC to break Guinness record!
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Fri, 2 Jun 2000 16:42:26 GMT
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Eric,
a flatbed w/ club logo is also a reasonable offer.  We'll run it.
dp/PNLTC

In lugnet.trains, Eric Kingsley writes:
<snip>
One idea I had for NELUG would be to have a flatbed (Terminoligy ?) car
carrying the NELUG Logo (Which I already have made).
<snip>


Subject: 
Re: all container input (wasPNLTC to break Guinness record!
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Larry is spot on:  any container of the x8 or x16 form would work (I also
build solid, no door units).
Car design, this can indeed vary.  I suggest 16-stud "flat" types or
doublestack types of as simple of a design as one can make -- thus, they'll
look more uniform.

An idea I've just tried...
to me, stacking 6 - x8 units on a drop center looks a little off.  I remove
one and center the uppermost 3 ontop of the 2.  On the raised ends, I build
simple supports to pick up the cantilevered ends of the containers.  Certainly
not prototype in the most strict sense, but the resulting overhang look isn't
far off of the American practice of loading longer ontop of shorter.  Plus, my
daughter is working on her +5 tables, so it's a practical exercise.  :)

I'm gonna try to get clubmember Jon Rasmussen involved in the dialog here.
He's in process of building a large container complex which would be worthy of
the influx of containers we could see.
dp/PNLTC

In lugnet.trains, Larry Pieniazek writes:
http://www.brickshelf.com/scans/4000/4549/4549-03.html

doesn't need to be adhered to. Just the form factor. Most of my containers are
solid and don't have end doors, they're made out of ordinary bricks to • reduce...<snip>
++Lar (container crazy)


Subject: 
Re: all container input (wasPNLTC to break Guinness record!
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lugnet.trains, lugnet.org.us.nelug
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Fri, 2 Jun 2000 20:08:55 GMT
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In lugnet.trains, Dan Parker writes:
Larry is spot on:  any container of the x8 or x16 form would work (I also
build solid, no door units).
Car design, this can indeed vary.  I suggest 16-stud "flat" types or
doublestack types of as simple of a design as one can make -- thus, they'll
look more uniform.

OK I decided to go ahead and make a NELUG container...

http://www.nelug.org/container/nelugcont.jpg

I think thats what your looking for.  I used an Avery clear shipping label for
the decal and it looks OK.  I still have to build a car and I also want to try
this in Gray to see what it looks like.

Let me know if this looks satisfactory or not.  I don't have much in the way of
train stuff so for the top I had to use tiles and plates instead of the special
4x8 tile/plate hybrid part.  It is also solid all the way around.  No doors.


Eric Kingsley

The New England LEGO Users Group
http://www.nelug.org/

View My Creations at:
http://www.nelug.org/members/kingsley/


Subject: 
Re: all container input (wasPNLTC to break Guinness record!
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Fri, 2 Jun 2000 20:50:47 GMT
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Eric,
this shall do nicely -- Pls take note everyone!

side note:  I've never had allot of special train parts and consider
substitutions the standard.
dp/PNLTC
In lugnet.trains, Eric Kingsley writes:
In lugnet.trains, Dan Parker writes:
Larry is spot on:  any container of the x8 or x16 form would work (I also
build solid, no door units).
Car design, this can indeed vary.  I suggest 16-stud "flat" types or
doublestack types of as simple of a design as one can make -- thus, they'll
look more uniform.

OK I decided to go ahead and make a NELUG container...

http://www.nelug.org/container/nelugcont.jpg

I think thats what your looking for.  I used an Avery clear shipping label for
the decal and it looks OK.  I still have to build a car and I also want to try
this in Gray to see what it looks like.

Let me know if this looks satisfactory or not.  I don't have much in the way • of
train stuff so for the top I had to use tiles and plates instead of the • special
4x8 tile/plate hybrid part.  It is also solid all the way around.  No doors.


Eric Kingsley

The New England LEGO Users Group
http://www.nelug.org/

View My Creations at:
http://www.nelug.org/members/kingsley/


Subject: 
Re: How about BOX CARS! (wasPNLTC to break Guinness record!
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lugnet.trains, lugnet.org.us.nelug
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WOW! you guys work fast! The container idea sounds good, but the container are
small and all the different flat beds would look weird. I’m in if this is what
work for you all.

But, here is another idea, how about a special train...

Yellow locos (2 to 4) with red LEGO logos on the sides.

All the LTCs, LUGs and etc would make Box Cars (6x24 stud long verity with 4
axles, like the ones Larry P makes) with more spaces for logos and not so hard
to set up. And for you guys stuck on containers "it's a big conainer with
wheels":)

And the caboose would be in LUGNET colors with the logo on it.(If Todd will
let us use the TM) It will have the web link on it and not just the logo!

Build on...
Robin Werner
GFLTC
http://member.xoom.com/gfltc


Subject: 
Re: How about BOX CARS! (wasPNLTC to break Guinness record!
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lugnet.trains, lugnet.org.us.nelug
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Here is a link to a temp web page on the All World Train idea:

http://members.xoom.com/gfltc/worldltc.html

What do you think?

Robin Werner
GFLTC


Subject: 
Re: How about BOX CARS! (wasPNLTC to break Guinness record!
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In lugnet.trains, Robin Werner writes:
Here is a link to a temp web page on the All World Train idea:

http://members.xoom.com/gfltc/worldltc.html

What do you think?

Nice artwork. Very nice! I can visualise the train now...

Here's what I am thinking. Why squabble over should it be cars, containers,
etc? Let's do them all... we could perhaps let the clubs do boxcars,
individuals do containers, and even let those with commercial interests do
billboards. This IS going to be a scenicked layout.

Bricks on the Brain,
Guild of Bricksmiths,
Brickmania,
BrickBay
Fletcher Jennings Fine Railway Products
Milton Train Works
Kevin's Creations
Guarded Inn

just to name a few, are all commercial interests and worthy of some mention.
Sorry to whoever I missed, of course

Also, instead of just LUGNET on a caboose, don't forget the other guys:

brickset
brickshelf
Pause (we owe something to our roots)
and.... rtl!

all non club non commercial orgs that deserve some mention, hmm? again sorry to
whoever I missed.

Office buildings and warehouses and tractor trailers and the sides of busses
are all other things that often have adverts on them. Let's have this be a
profusion of adverts. Make sure to include a URL whenever you can!

And if some club can pick up some commercial $pon$or$hip, real corporate logos
are OK too! For enough moolah, anyway.

++Lar


Subject: 
Re: all container input (wasPNLTC to break Guinness record!
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Sat, 3 Jun 2000 05:02:41 GMT
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In lugnet.trains, Dan Parker writes:
Eric,
this shall do nicely -- Pls take note everyone!

Nice container Eric! The stripes look swell

side note:  I've never had allot of special train parts and consider
substitutions the standard.

Ditto. I have maybe 4 of those special 4x8 tile/plates... who needs them,
they're a POOP. Well, sort of. :-)

++Lar


Subject: 
Re: all container input (wasPNLTC to break Guinness record!
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Here are the containers that Dan and I made for the last Portland GATS:
http://www.sstanamera.com/~sebarile/LEGO/temp/PNLTCcon1.jpg
http://www.sstanamera.com/~sebarile/LEGO/temp/PNLTCcon2.jpg

Note: the vertical lines are an attempt to use brick lines as detail.

SteveB

In lugnet.trains, Eric Kingsley writes:
In lugnet.trains, Dan Parker writes:
Larry is spot on:  any container of the x8 or x16 form would work (I also
build solid, no door units).
Car design, this can indeed vary.  I suggest 16-stud "flat" types or
doublestack types of as simple of a design as one can make -- thus, they'll
look more uniform.

OK I decided to go ahead and make a NELUG container...

http://www.nelug.org/container/nelugcont.jpg

I think thats what your looking for.  I used an Avery clear shipping label for
the decal and it looks OK.  I still have to build a car and I also want to try
this in Gray to see what it looks like.

Let me know if this looks satisfactory or not.  I don't have much in the way • of
train stuff so for the top I had to use tiles and plates instead of the • special
4x8 tile/plate hybrid part.  It is also solid all the way around.  No doors.


Eric Kingsley

The New England LEGO Users Group
http://www.nelug.org/

View My Creations at:
http://www.nelug.org/members/kingsley/


Subject: 
Re: How about BOX CARS! (wasPNLTC to break Guinness record!
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lugnet.trains, lugnet.org.us.nelug
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In lugnet.trains, Robin Werner writes:

All the LTCs, LUGs and etc would make Box Cars (6x24 stud long verity with 4
axles, like the ones Larry P makes) with more spaces for logos and not so hard
to set up. And for you guys stuck on containers "it's a big conainer with
wheels":)

This sounds like a good idea too.  I would like to try one anyway.  It doesn't
sound to difficult but could someone post a link to one just so us non-train
guys can have a referance.

Thanks,


Eric Kingsley

The New England LEGO Users Group
http://www.nelug.org/

View My Creations at:
http://www.nelug.org/members/kingsley/


Subject: 
Advertising on LTC layouts (was Re: How about BOX CARS! (wasPNLTC to break Guinness record!)
Newsgroups: 
lugnet.trains, lugnet.org.us.nelug
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Larry Pieniazek wrote:

And if some club can pick up some commercial $pon$or$hip, real corporate logos
are OK too! For enough moolah, anyway.

++Lar

Larry,

This was something I was toying with for our club one day, glad to see I'm not the
only one. I though what a nice way to make some money for the LTC would be to sell
ad space on the layout, boxcars, billboards, actual buildings (i.e. car dealers,
restaurants, etc.) to local business in the area of the club.

I was going to put a page together on the club site and see if I can get a few
local business try it out. Maybe do a few for free just to get some material for
promoting the idea.

Has anyone else tried this yet?

jt


--
---------------------------------------------------------
James J. Trobaugh
North Georgia LEGO Train Club
http://www.ngltc.org


Subject: 
Re: Advertising on LTC layouts (was Re: How about BOX CARS! (wasPNLTC to break Guinness record!)
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In lugnet.trains, James J. Trobaugh writes:

Larry,

This was something I was toying with for our club one day,
glad to see I'm not the
only one. I though what a nice way to make some money for
the LTC would be to sell
ad space on the layout, boxcars, billboards, actual buildings
(i.e. car dealers,
restaurants, etc.) to local business in the area of the club.

I was going to put a page together on the club site and see if I can get a few
local business try it out.
Maybe do a few for free just to get some material for
promoting the idea.

Has anyone else tried this yet?


I also thought of trying ad space idea on my layouts, back in my solo day. But
now maybe I should try this idea with the club, it would be nice to get cash
for more stuff. Perhaps one day all the LTC could link up and get big sponsors
like COKE or TRU? Who knows where this could go, but don't quit your day jobs
yet!

Robin Werner
GFLTC
http://members.xoom.com


Subject: 
Re: all container input (wasPNLTC to break Guinness record!
Newsgroups: 
lugnet.trains
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In lugnet.trains, Dan Parker writes:
Eric,
this shall do nicely -- Pls take note everyone!


Some of the German AFOLs plan to offer containers for the PNLTC too. Here comes
my first drafts of two containers:
http://www.f5.parsimony.net/forum5725/messages/8213.htm

I think I would offer to send them one way: the worth of such a small container
would be succeded by the shipping prizes....

But I won't send the flatcar. That's just a very prototypical version to show,
how the containers look like.

Best Regards,

Ben

P.s.: Now I have to check shipping costs and how many people will do some PR
for their homepages...

P.p.s.: Would it be possible to make up a page with links to the homepages of
all people who send their own container? I think you can't read the URLs on the
small models themselves.


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Re: all container input (wasPNLTC to break Guinness record!
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In lugnet.trains, Steven Barile writes:
Here are the containers that Dan and I made for the last Portland GATS:
http://www.sstanamera.com/~sebarile/LEGO/temp/PNLTCcon1.jpg
http://www.sstanamera.com/~sebarile/LEGO/temp/PNLTCcon2.jpg

Note: the vertical lines are an attempt to use brick lines as detail.

SteveB

Well I took some time over the weekend to put together a container car with
4x16 and 4x8 containers on it.  I don't know if you will wan't the whole car or
just a container but here is what I have so far.

http://www.nelug.org/container/nelugside.jpg
http://www.nelug.org/container/nelugend.jpg

Now if you can't tell that car and containers are a NELUG submission I think
your pretty hard of sight.  I also tried to make it blatently obvious what our
URL is so no one should miss it.  I know this setup is not Prototypical but it
is LEGOtypical so I guess thats OK with me.

I am going to try a box car too just to see what I can come up with.  Like I
said I am extremely limited when it comes to train stuff so we will see what I
can come up with.

LMKIISAU (1)


Eric Kingsley


1.  Let me know if I screwed anything up :-).  I'm not a train head you know.


The New England LEGO Users Group
http://www.nelug.org/

View My creations at:
http://www.nelug.org/members/kingsley/


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