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Kevin Wilson wrote:
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> John Neal wrote
> > "you keep using that word...."
> > > seriously thinking of buying the Rail Car
>
> Railcar (all one word) is used in Brit practice to refer to an
> engine-and-carriage (passenger car) all in one combination.
US practice as well. Other terms for such a beast are Doodlebug and RDC.
(Rail Diesel Car), both of which originally referred to the products of
a specific firm. The notion is that one of these units can take the
place of a whole train, although trailers are sometimes added for extra
capacity.
Contrast with a "power car" which is part of a larger train, has power
AND accomodations, but does not connote completeness. The 4558
metroliner, for example, has two power cars, one at each end (although
one is a dummy, or unpowered, model of a powered prototype).
Contrast also with Street Car or Trolley, both of which fit the
definition, but are terms for electric rolling stock, and were not used
in freight railroad service much.
Lego has never done a model of a rail car, or a street car to my
knowledge, but has done lots of power cars (at least two of the 77xx
series passenger train primary models include power cars)
The 4551 model is a model of a locomotive. There is no accomodation for
paying passengers or freight.
Kurt should be forgiven for not knowing the parlance originally, but I
do wish that now that he has had the correct terminology pointed out,
several times, that he would begin using it.
Please, Kurt, be precise. Better communication will result and some of
us will respect you more for it.
++Lar
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No, not what you think!!! I forgot something that interested readers may
find interesting. And uninteresting (1) readers should feel free to push
N now.
Larry Pieniazek wrote:
> Contrast with a "power car" which is part of a larger train, has power
> AND accomodations, but does not connote completeness. The 4558
> metroliner, for example, has two power cars, one at each end (although
> one is a dummy, or unpowered, model of a powered prototype).
Note that "dummy" in model parlance means exactly the opposite of what
it means in real parlance.
In model parlance, a "dummy" is a non functional or essentially
decorative item.
A dummy coupler is a decorative coupler that does not actually function.
Not seen in LEGO much.
A dummy truck is an unpowered model of a powered truck. For instance the
4551 has one powered truck/articulation point and one unpowered (the
powered one is on the right in this image:
http://www.lugnet.com/pause/search/?query=4551)
A dummy locomotive, or a dummy power car (in the case of the 4558) is an
entire unit that is unpowered but is a model of a powered unit. For
instance the 4558 has a dummy power car (which is on the left in this
image: http://www.lugnet.com/pause/search/?query=4558 )
(2)
In real railroad parlance the term dummy is much less used. The one
place I know of it was in early elevated/street railway usage. (circa
1880, pre electrification) In that usage, a "dummy locomotive" is a
small steam engine fitted with body work to make it look like an
unpowered unit, that is, a coach! This was done, apparently, to avoid
scaring the horses of the time. Not very successfully.
++Lar
1 - er, I mean uninterested readers, of course
2 - Now, of course, my as built models of both 4551 and 4558 have the
dummy trucks replaced with powered trucks, making the 4551 two truck
powered, and the 4558 with both power cars powered. But I like the extra
power that more motors bring. Hang the expense!
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Larry P wrote
> In real railroad parlance the term dummy is much less used. The one
> place I know of it was in early elevated/street railway usage. (circa
> 1880, pre electrification) In that usage, a "dummy locomotive" is a
> small steam engine fitted with body work to make it look like an
> unpowered unit, that is, a coach! This was done, apparently, to avoid
> scaring the horses of the time. Not very successfully.
LOL! I can just see the dummy "coach", puffing surreptitiously as it
trundles along the elevated tracks, with every horse on the road belwo
rearing and shying as it passes.
Kevin
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Larry Pieniazek (lar@voyager.net) wrote:
> Lego has never done a model of a rail car, or a street car to my
> knowledge, but has done lots of power cars (at least two of the 77xx
> series passenger train primary models include power cars)
I know we can say many ugly things about 4559, but isn't it
a rail car?
Non-LEGO examples of rail cars are (if I understand the
terminology correctly):
- ER-IR4
<URL:http://mercurio.iet.unipi.it/pix/dk/electric/ER-IR4/pix.html>
- "S-trains"
<URL:http://mercurio.iet.unipi.it/pix/dk/electric/S-tog/pix.html>
- IC3
<URL:http://mercurio.iet.unipi.it/pix/dk/diesel/dmu/MF-IC3/pix.html>
ER-IR4 and the "S-trains" are actually electric. Is it only
diesel powered rail cars that are called rail cars?
Play well,
Jacob
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Jacob Sparre Andersen wrote:
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> Larry Pieniazek (lar@voyager.net) wrote:
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> > Lego has never done a model of a rail car, or a street car to my
> > knowledge, but has done lots of power cars (at least two of the 77xx
> > series passenger train primary models include power cars)
>
> I know we can say many ugly things about 4559, but isn't it
> a rail car?
I would tend to say not, as to me, the defining characteristic of a
railcar (or a street car, for that matter) is that it has two trucks
(rather than articulated the way the 4559 lead unit is) and that it
contains the entire "stuff" of a passenger train in one package.
> Non-LEGO examples of rail cars are (if I understand the
> terminology correctly):
>
> - ER-IR4
> <URL:http://mercurio.iet.unipi.it/pix/dk/electric/ER-IR4/pix.html>
Hmm.. these have tested in the US, I think. That huge rubber front is
very distinctive, and would be fun to model. All the pictures show at
least two units, though. In the last picture, is the center (not the red
end) articulated? it's hard to tell) If one unit can't operate by itself
I would tend to say "not a rail car" in the US sense.
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Larry Pieniazek (lar@voyager.net) wrote:
> > - ER-IR4
> > <URL:http://mercurio.iet.unipi.it/pix/dk/electric/ER-IR4/pix.html>
>
> Hmm.. these have tested in the US, I think. That huge rubber front is
> very distinctive, and would be fun to model. All the pictures show at
> least two units, though. In the last picture, is the center (not the red
> end) articulated? it's hard to tell) If one unit can't operate by itself
> I would tend to say "not a rail car" in the US sense.
The listed units can all operate on their own.
It was the IC3 (three box diesel version of the IR4) that
were tested in the US. There are pictures from the test runs
at
<URL:http://mercurio.iet.unipi.it/pix/dk/diesel/dmu/MF-IC3/AMTRAK/pix.html>.
Play well,
Jacob
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