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James Mathis wrote:
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> Got inspired to work on a model of the German Federal Railways DB V140 diesel
> hydrolic locomotive.
Wow.
Any flaws I could mention would only detract from a magnificent model.
But you know me, here they are. :-)
Every single one of these is due to a limitation of the media.
1. The drive wheels are too small. But this just points out something
every train head knows... we need bigger drive wheels!!! The 12V drivers
are small, and there is NOTHING available in 9V or from Technic that
works reliably. Come ON, TLG, make a parts pack with some bigger drivers
and modular connector rods, valve gear, piston assemblies, etc. PLEASE!
Sure, non purists can make something, but not us purists.
2. The raised center part of the roof, doesn't it slope in slightly in
the "prototype" towards the top? I wonder if extreme slopes could be
used somehow? They may be too tall, though. What about medium slopes
(including the corner slopes) turned sideways?
3. It's very very hard to do compound curves at this scale unless Lego
did them already. The real model roof ends are spherical sections, and
James has approximated these about as best as can be done using
staggered cylindrical sections.
4. I think it's Hydraulic in the US, Hydrolic is probably the german
usage.
The use of the chrome handrails, although much bigger than prototype
cross section, works extremely well. (note that the Marklin "prototype"
already made these bigger than real life... typical HO or N compromise)
I did this on my chemical tank, and again on my green white christmas
box, and I am very pleased. James' in particular really capture the
sense of the doors and rails on the "prototype".
This is a must see model, it is another great european model from a
master builder. Now if we could only get him to do some REAL (US
prototype) trains... :-)
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Got inspired to work on a model of the German Federal Railways DB V140 diesel
hydrolic locomotive.
Primary pieces to make this model of the DB V140 come from:
1. 4551 9v train locomotive
a. the two cab faces
b. red-ribbed 2x2 bricks
2. 5571 Model Team big black and red truck
a. gray beveled bricks
b. red doors
c. clear 1x2x2 thin wall windows
I worked from a photo of a Marklin model of the DB V140.
If you care to see the result, please visit:
http://www.ee.nmt.edu/~jmathis/legopage.html
and click on either "What's NEW in My Small LEGO® World" or go through the
index of train related models starting at "Train Creations".
I'm always open to critiques and suggestions wrt to the models shown at my web
site.
All aboard LEGO Trains!
Thanks.
later,
James
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Larry wrote:
> 1. The drive wheels are too small. But this just points out something
> every train head knows... we need bigger drive wheels!!! The 12V
> drivers are small, and there is NOTHING available in 9V or from Technic • that
> works reliably. Come ON, TLG, make a parts pack with some bigger
> drivers and modular connector rods, valve gear, piston assemblies, etc.
> PLEASE! Sure, non purists can make something, but not us purists.
I don't have any new train tracks, just the old grey kind, so I used 2
new technic motors to drive my Christmas tree train. The steam engine
has Model Team wheels turned inward without the tires so that the very
wide part is hardly visible. That leaves a space two studs wide in the
middle. I used one stud space to hold the wheels in place with a technic
beam and the other space to add gears that link to a motor. Connector
rods were easy to add (and they lead to moving pistons!) However, the
engine uses almost all its muscle to drag itself along, so I added
another motor in the caboose. The final train looks pretty nice, but two
motors and six AA batteries is an awful lot for a slow-moving four-car
train. (engine, tender, old red battery car with nothing in it, red box
car with technic battery box, yellow caboose - I can't have any more cars
because I don't have any more train magnets!)
If someone wants me to LDraw the engine, please let me know.
--Bram
Bram Lambrecht / o o \ BramL@juno.com
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WWW: http://www.chuh.org/Students/Bram-Lambrecht/
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Bram Lambrecht wrote:
> If someone wants me to LDraw the engine, please let me know.
> --Bram
Yes please. Sounds like your mechanism may be similar to Steve
Barile's...
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Larry Pieniazek writes:
> James Mathis wrote:
> >
> > Got inspired to work on a model of the German Federal Railways DB V140 • diesel
> > hydrolic locomotive.
>
> Wow.
>
> Any flaws I could mention would only detract from a magnificent model.
>
> But you know me, here they are. :-)
I read with anticipation...
> Every single one of these is due to a limitation of the media.
One of the aspects of LEGO that makes building all the more interesting, if not
frustrating at times. But, that's part of the challenge.
<snipped comments about small drive wheels>
> 2. The raised center part of the roof, doesn't it slope in slightly in
> the "prototype" towards the top? I wonder if extreme slopes could be
> used somehow? They may be too tall, though. What about medium slopes
> (including the corner slopes) turned sideways?
The raised center part of the roof is indeed slightly sloped inward toward
the top in the "prototype". The steepness combined with the relative scale
height of that part of the roof really caused me trouble. I tried a 3 brick
tall steep slope piece, but the construction just looked disproportionately
tall. Also, I couldn't get the compound corners on this section to look very
good, in my opinion. So, I compromised as best as my ability would allow.
> 3. It's very very hard to do compound curves at this scale unless Lego
> did them already. The real model roof ends are spherical sections, and
> James has approximated these about as best as can be done using
> staggered cylindrical sections.
Even so, the radius of curvature of the spherical sections and their
orientation to make the roof ends on the "prototype" are larger and lower than
what the beveled bricks achieve.
> 4. I think it's Hydraulic in the US, Hydrolic is probably the german
> usage.
Maybe it is "hydrolic" in German, but I think I just mispelled the English.
;-)
<snipped doors and chrome rail bars>
> This is a must see model, it is another great european model from a
> master builder. Now if we could only get him to do some REAL (US
> prototype) trains... :-)
Big smile :-)
later,
James Mathis
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A repost from RTL. I said this (and cross posted to rec.model.railroad)
in response to Bruce asking for prototype sources as a result of seeing
James' model:
Bruce wrote:
> James said (about building his LEGO creation)
> > I worked from a photo of a Marklin model of the DB V140.
>
> Are there any places to call, or on the web, to get catalogs of model trains
> you can buy. I'm looking for something I can look at while building to get
> ideas from. If anyone's got numbers or URLs of places with (preferably free)
> catalogs, let me know. I'm sure a web search would turn some up, this might
> just save some time by asking.
> Bye
> Bruce
Walthers is a good source, but the catalog now costs 20 bucks per scale,
it is so big. Sells out quickly, usually.
There are a few sites of model manufacturers as well. Myself, I just go
back into my stack of Model Railroader magazines (I have about 25 years
worth) or TRAINS magazines (more like 30) for ideas when the muse
doesn't strike me. (1)
Another good approach is to try to find the websites of fans that are
devoted to particular lines, or to the prototype lines themselves (NS
and BNSF come to mind as potential sites (http://www.bnsf.com/,
http://www.conrail.com/, http://www.nscorp.com))
I haven't looked in a while but there must be a master NMRA site that
will get you rolling. (http://www.mcs.net:80/~weyand/nmra/) I know that
model railroaders have been using the web for several years now. Spend
some time in rec.model.railroad and I bet you'll get lots of urls to
start digging around in.
1- but I confess, I have more ideas than time to build. I get ideas and
I forget. Suzanne Rich has a good idea, she carries a sketchbook with
her at all times to capture ideas about assemblies, things to model,
etc.
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Larry Pieniazek wrote:
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> A repost from RTL. I said this (and cross posted to rec.model.railroad)
The above should be rec.MODELS.railroad. I cancelled and reposted.
Whoops!
I also put up a message in that same group, crossposted to RTL, to wit:
(Comments welcome!)
-- start --
To rec.models.railroad readers:
I'm a long time railfan, had a continuous subscription to TRAINS since
1970. I was an active model railroader for many years, but recently
dormant. I lurk here on RMR occasionally.
I just wanted to mention something to folks that might not know about
it.
There is an active community of folks who model using LEGO brand
building blocks. That's right, LEGO! LEGO has provided a number of train
related elements, motors, track, wheels and so forth, and some of us
have built quite elaborate models. LEGO always has 1 or two train sets
in their line to help people get started.
While the impositions of the medium make our models look somewhat
"tinplate"ish, I'd stand some of our best work up with pride as
capturing the essence of railroading.
Why Lego?
If you can't get a look, or a mechanism, just right, just take it apart
and try again. The motors and track are ultra reliable, stuff just
works. LEGO Technic allows building of operating accessories like
bridges and turntables. LEGO Mindstorms offers the possibility of
automation of train operation and accessories. You can include your kids
at a much earlier age, they relate well. And best of all, if a model
falls off the table, it doesn't get damaged! You just put it back
together again. When I dropped my ATSF PA-1 (1), the shell cracked and I
had to get another shell. And I was lucky, I could have damaged the
mechanism too, but fortunately Athearn built good stuff, even back in
1973.
So I get a lot of fulfillment from LEGO. I have built some rather big
models, but nothing like the modular layouts that have been done in the
Pacific Northwest and shown at various train shows by the Pacific
Northwest Lego Train Club.
We hang out on rec.toys.lego and on the new LUGNET newsgroups,
especially lugnet.trains (for info on the latter see
http://www.lugnet.com/news/ )
For some sites to see some of our best work, go here:
http://www.pnltc.org
(the PNLTC)
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/train_depot/
(comprehensive info on the LEGO Train and monorail lines)
http://members.aol.com/regult/index.html
(a shelf switching layout)
http://www.ee.nmt.edu/~jmathis/legopage.html
(master builder, his monorail station is breathtaking)
http://my.voyager.net/lar
(me. I like modern US prototype stuff)
So please, come check it out! We're modelers too, just working in a
different medium.
1 - THE most beautiful diesel, IMHO, bar none, is a PA-1 in warbonnet
paint...
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Larry Pieniazek wrote:
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> Larry Pieniazek wrote:
> >
> > A repost from RTL. I said this (and cross posted to rec.model.railroad)
>
> The above should be rec.MODELS.railroad. I cancelled and reposted.
> Whoops!
>
> I also put up a message in that same group, crossposted to RTL, to wit:
> (Comments welcome!)
--- Long post snipped ---
It will be interesting to see what reactions you get from
the model railroaders.
--
Paul Foster
http://reality.sgi.com/foster_stco/lego.html
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Paul Foster wrote:
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> It will be interesting to see what reactions you get from
> the model railroaders.
It may not have been the best time to post what with the holidays, etc.
But there are responses already. One bore fruit! Check out this Conrail
engine...
http://members.xoom.com/robstorm/rlz-trs.htm
Does anyone recognise the cab side windows? The trick of using a gear
for the fan is a good one, worthy of use elsewhere in modern american
proto stuff.
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OK, just one more, this site is a treasure trove of good stuff:
http://members.xoom.com/robstorm/98sshow5.jpg
Check out the transfer table, which appears to be operational, the
Conrail color scheme switcher, the water tower, the engine house (with
signals, roll up doors, and skylights), the riptrack (repair area) the
bustling city behind the engine house, and the 6 wide monorails.
Oh, and the non lego ground cover.
What I liked about this site are the well integrated MOC buildings and
vehicles with TLG designed stuff. Many of the buildings clearly take
hints from TLG designs to new levels. Check out the multilevel
monorail/train station in yellow...
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Well, here is a good link for people looking for prototype sources.
http://www.rrhistorical.com/nmra/nmralink.html
3000 links to railroad sites!
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