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Hello Group!
I have been offered to buy a 1986 train set #7745. I have a 9V set to day. Is
it possible to use the 12V set on the 9V track with the 9V engine.?
Regards
Hugo Matre
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Yes, it is. The 12V guage is the same as the 9V and even the motors are
the same size, so you shouldn't have any problems running the 7745 on 9V
track with a 9V motor. But, if you are getting 12V track with the
train, try running the train on 12V track (and get a step-up/step-down
transformer if you're using the 220V-12V 7864 transformer). I prefer
the 12V system because it has really neat accessories like remote stop
signals and remote switch tracks. It's also think 12V track is more
"Lego" because each rail and sleeper has to be snapped together and it's
all plastic except for the center conducting rail. Having said that,
there are a few frustrations with the 12V system. When you first run a
train, it will take a while to clean the conducting tracks and pickups
on the 12V motor. I have found that setting the transformer on full
speed and just putting the motor on the rails, helping it along when it
stalls, will clean the track after about 5 minutes. It's time well
spent though, because if you have the remote controlled accessories you
won't be spending time running around the layout switching points and
stopping trains by hand :)
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Thomas Main
main@appstate.edu
Hugo Matre wrote:
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> Hello Group!
>
> I have been offered to buy a 1986 train set #7745. I have a 9V set to day. Is
> it possible to use the 12V set on the 9V track with the 9V engine.?
>
> Regards
> Hugo Matre
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In lugnet.trains, Thomas Main writes:
> Yes, it is. The 12V guage is the same as the 9V and even the motors are
> the same size, so you shouldn't have any problems running the 7745 on 9V
> track with a 9V motor. But, if you are getting 12V track with the
> train, try running the train on 12V track (and get a step-up/step-down
> transformer if you're using the 220V-12V 7864 transformer). I prefer
> the 12V system because it has really neat accessories like remote stop
> signals and remote switch tracks. It's also think 12V track is more
> "Lego" because each rail and sleeper has to be snapped together and it's
> all plastic except for the center conducting rail. Having said that,
> there are a few frustrations with the 12V system. When you first run a
> train, it will take a while to clean the conducting tracks and pickups
> on the 12V motor. I have found that setting the transformer on full
> speed and just putting the motor on the rails, helping it along when it
> stalls, will clean the track after about 5 minutes. It's time well
> spent though, because if you have the remote controlled accessories you
> won't be spending time running around the layout switching points and
> stopping trains by hand :)
Thank you for your promt answer!
What is a step-up/step-down transformer?
I am getting the transformer and tracks, but I guess I will use it on the 9V
track as I have more tracks for 9V. I think I will try to use the light posts
from the 12V system untill I can find more 12V systems to buy :-)
I am also planning to build some cars with the 12V set and using them on the
9V set. I guess I can combine the couplers and wheels from 12V and 9V sets?
Regards
Hugo Matre
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Hugo Matre wrote:
> Thank you for your promt answer!
>
> What is a step-up/step-down transformer?
Changes 110 V to 220 or vice versa. Allows you to use a speed
controller/trafo on mains that don't match what it was made for. For
instance I would need a step up if I got something from the continent
(and a plug adaptor) because US mains voltage is 110.
> I am also planning to build some cars with the 12V set and using them on the
> 9V set. I guess I can combine the couplers and wheels from 12V and 9V sets?
12V and 9V are 100% compatible in gauge and coupler operation. Older
couplers (12V) have uncoupling levers and newer ones (new 9V, not sure
about really old 9V) don't (sigh). But they mate just fine...
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Just in case no one mentioned it. If you put your 12V train on a 9V track the
train is not going to go anywhere; well, not untill it is hit by another train
that is! While Ben has posted a way to make 9V motors run on 12V track
http://www-public.tu-bs.de:8080/~rbeneke/lego/9v_12v/9v_12v.html
to my knowledge no one has done the reverse. So, you will need to go get a 9V
motor to get your train to go. 9V motors are only available through LEGO's Shop
at Home Service (800)453-4652. Also, if you want the carriages to roll with the
least resistance you will want to get the new style train wheel. In essence I am
saying that for optimum performance you will have to convert your 12V train to
the 9V system; minimally, you will new to get a 9V motor if you are going to use
9V track. None the less, you will be the envy of all here with your acquistion of
a classic 12V train.
Larry Pieniazek wrote:
> Hugo Matre wrote:
>
> > Thank you for your promt answer!
> >
> > What is a step-up/step-down transformer?
>
> Changes 110 V to 220 or vice versa. Allows you to use a speed
> controller/trafo on mains that don't match what it was made for. For
> instance I would need a step up if I got something from the continent
> (and a plug adaptor) because US mains voltage is 110.
>
> > I am also planning to build some cars with the 12V set and using them on the
> > 9V set. I guess I can combine the couplers and wheels from 12V and 9V sets?
>
> 12V and 9V are 100% compatible in gauge and coupler operation. Older
> couplers (12V) have uncoupling levers and newer ones (new 9V, not sure
> about really old 9V) don't (sigh). But they mate just fine...
>
> --
> Larry Pieniazek http://my.voyager.net/lar
> FDIC Know your Customer is wounded, thanks to you, but not dead...
> See http://www.defendyourprivacy.com for details
> For me: No voyager e-mail please. All snail-mail to Ada, please.
> - Posting Binaries to RTL causes flamage... Don't do it, please.
> - Stick to the facts when posting about others, please.
> - This is a family newsgroup, thanks.
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In lugnet.trains, Christopher Masi writes:
> Just in case no one mentioned it. If you put your 12V train on a 9V track the
> train is not going to go anywhere; well, not untill it is hit by another train
> that is! While Ben has posted a way to make 9V motors run on 12V track
>
> http://www-public.tu-bs.de:8080/~rbeneke/lego/9v_12v/9v_12v.html
>
> to my knowledge no one has done the reverse. So, you will need to go get a 9V
> motor to get your train to go. 9V motors are only available through LEGO's • Shop
> at Home Service (800)453-4652. Also, if you want the carriages to roll with • the
> least resistance you will want to get the new style train wheel. In essence I • am
> saying that for optimum performance you will have to convert your 12V train to
> the 9V system; minimally, you will new to get a 9V motor if you are going to • use
> 9V track. None the less, you will be the envy of all here with your acquistion • of
> a classic 12V train.
OK, i think I have got most of the answers I wanted!
I already own a 9V set 4559 and some extra tracks. We use 220v in Norway as
they do in Denmark. So I can build in the 9V engine in the 12V set and run it
on the 9V track wihtout problems. The 12V wheels does'nt work perfect on a 9V
track, but they will do OK. I can run the 12V set on the original track
without a step-up/step-down converter. Couplers will match between 12V and 9V
so I can build the two sets together to one train.
Hmm... What about the headligths? Will there be any problems with them on the
9V track?
Why don't you purists like the 4559? In my opinion its quite good looking, have
good playability, quite many parts, and a reasonable price (at least in
Norway). What do you regard as the best set from Lego, and why?
Regards
Hugo Matre
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Hugo Matre wrote:
> OK, i think I have got most of the answers I wanted!
>
> I already own a 9V set 4559 and some extra tracks. We use 220v in Norway as
> they do in Denmark. So I can build in the 9V engine in the 12V set and run it
> on the 9V track wihtout problems. The 12V wheels does'nt work perfect on a 9V
> track, but they will do OK. I can run the 12V set on the original track
> without a step-up/step-down converter. Couplers will match between 12V and 9V
> so I can build the two sets together to one train.
>
> Hmm... What about the headligths? Will there be any problems with them on the
> 9V track?
Beside the whole incompatible wire connector issue between the 9V and 12V lights
the 12 V lights will just be a bit dim. I am using some 12V lights on with my 9V
system and it looks just fine.
> Why don't you purists like the 4559? In my opinion its quite good looking, have
> good playability, quite many parts, and a reasonable price (at least in
> Norway). What do you regard as the best set from Lego, and why?
I do not claim my dislike for 4559 is based on any kind of LEGO purity issue.
Actually, most of the parts are the same as the parts on the very popular 4558
(known as the Metro Liner in the US). I just do not get excited enough when I look
at 4559 to spend $130 (US). Comparing 4559 to 4558 isn't really fair though. In
price 4559 should be compared to a set like 4563 and still 4559 comes up lacking.
I guess for me it is some of the little things. I am not thrilled with the color
scheme. The "people pods" don't bother me as much as the space between the pods
and the train. If the people pods and the train looked like one unit I think it
would look much better. I also do not like the wasy the cargo can be seen in the
little cargo openings. Like I said, it is the small things. I could fix these
small things if I bought the set, but it always comes down to do I like this as is
enough to spend $130 (oh yeah plus tax $141.32). I barely hesitated when I spent
> $150 on 6399.
After saying all this I REALLY considered buying one last weekend, but then I
found that it was $141.32. If found it on sale I would get one...still thinking
about getting one anyway..
>
>
> Regards
> Hugo Matre
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