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In lugnet.trains, "Reinhard \"Ben\" Beneke" <ben@1000steine.SPAM-block.com>
wrote:
> Hi
> Main downside on all new train sets: Lego gave up metal axles. The new ones run
> worse than anything in the 9V area. Wheel sets will for sure become a
> bottle-neck for MOCs soon. The 2018sets are still on sale and this is the last
> chance to get new spares at reasonable costs.
>
> Leg Godt!
>
> Ben
Postscriptum after a couple of weeks of play with the new trains (my kids loved
the train by appearance, but disliked it for being so much slower than the last
PU passenger train with the lighter+shorter cars).
The new passenger train was originally purchased twice and intended to run as
double package back-to-back with one motor replaced by a dummy (with cross
axles).
But one PU motor was not strong enough to overcome the friction of 20 train
wheel sets (+2x cross axles). The wheels of the engine slipped through after
passing points and any 90° curve sections.
Mostly the train was then run with engine-wagon-wagon-dummy-engine arrangement,
but speed was still quite poor. The new full-plastic wheel sets are to blame
here. Off the package they show higher resistance and this is not improving over
an operational time of some hours.
Now I have puchased 50+ (heavy-)used train wheel sets from bricklink at bargain
price.
Most have been the first generation from 1990ff with metal needle passing
through the wheels. Some have been newer with metal bar and wheels with plastic
tip.
I never found a real difference between these two types. For now I have put the
oldest ones into the 60337 and suddenly it runs sufficently on any oval as
6-piece double train:
engine-wagon-wagon-wagon-wagon-dummy-engine
Great improvement! I need more old wheel sets ...
Best Regards,
Ben
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Hi Lugnet train fans!
anybody besides me who has looked into the new trains 60336 and 60337?
I was pleased, that the train system is still available at LEGO. Of course not
as exhaustive as the 1980 and 1991 roll-out of train sets, but still nice.
The passenger train has the new split-level base-plates that can be extended in
the center. It has doors (better suiding a shop than a train wagon), it even
includes light. And personally I love the fact, that it has a built front as the
orange horizon express (TGV) or Santa Fe - instead of incorporating a monobloc
part. Of course 2 sets are required to make it a decent train. My tip: buy it
now. The train is in the list of sets, that will go up in September.
Although I thought it to be the weaker design, I also would now rate the freight
train pretty high: this has lot's of clever play functions in the 2-deck car
transport and the loading ramp. And it is sturdy enough for any 6 year old to
handle it. The learge reach stacker to grab the containers is a great model on
it's own!
My kids and friends gave proof, that earlier sets had less play value. Maybe
worst was the infra-red train 7898: the crane waggon does not work at all. The
hook pulled up will move the main beam upwards instead. Releasing the hook does
not work as it is too light. There is just oo much friction in the cord way. On
top the winch will break off every time you touch it.
The cloosed goods waggon of 7898 carries 2 crates. And both can't be loaded with
a forklift as the doors are in the center and do not open wide enough.
The forklift does notz only look ugly but the gas tank is fixed to one stud
only: so it is permanently breaking off. Lego did a much better job in 2022!
Main downside on all new train sets: Lego gave up metal axles. The new ones run
worse than anything in the 9V area. Wheel sets will for sure become a
bottle-neck for MOCs soon. The 2018sets are still on sale and this is the last
chance to get new spares at reasonable costs.
Leg Godt!
Ben
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In lugnet.trains, “John” John@TCLTC.org wrote:
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Oof. I admit that I only now stumbled upon your post, Ben. Yes, I’m afraid
that LUGNET’s role from now on will be THE historical record for the genesis
of the worldwide phenomenon of the AFOL. And I admit that I certainly feel
like a dinosaur among the newest generation of trains MOC builders. But I
will never forget the magic of the beginning, of which we were all a part.
And it’s all documented here in beloved LUGNET.<3
Leg Godt, Frieden
JOHN
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Hi John,
yes we have been part of - what feels today like kind of - the gold-rush times
in the LEGO Hobby. The community found together and LEGO as a company realized
that there are these so called “AFOLs”. And us collecting all information that
is now so easily available in Bricklink. Actually I have thought it to be
impossible to ever create a data-base that would list all sets and all bricks
used in these... It is a long way since then: Today my 4558 Metroliner is older
than the 113 first ever motorized Lego train when I got it into my hands.
Are you still active in the hobby (for your own or in any community)?
Still being in touch with some of the other dinosaurs? Still having flaming
discussions with Larry P. from time to time?
From James Mathis I heard (from a YouTube fellow) that he had sold off his
complete collection. Steven Barile still out there? Ben Fleskes?
Holger Matthes is still quite active and had published a book that gives a
comprehensive view on the train systems and includes some real clever MOCs. René
Hoffmeister made it even to national TV: he is one of the Jury members in the
LEGO Masters TV show. And he is the first (and only) Lego Certified Professional
in Germany.
And there are so many yound talents and so many new communities around: I
completely lost track and enjoy the LEGO mainly on my own (and with the kids).
Stay healthy!
Ben
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In lugnet.trains, "Matt Chiles" <mattchiles@horseshoebendranch.net> wrote:
> I didn't realize the new Crocodile won't operate at all without a smart phone.
> That is sad to hear.
>
> I haven't yet seen on on the track - it looks like it is much more of a display
> model than an operating model. Is it almost "too realistic" for Lego?
>
> -Matt
[snip]
Hi Matt,
I nearly have forgotten to ever return to Lugnet. The gone 8 months have past
like nothing. We could return to handwritten letters on paper in this speed of
communication (and ship these on sailing barges). ;-)
The crocodile's running was partly revied quite critically in the community. I
actually had derailments on day one and found that the small wheels on
cross-axle-pins had a too wide gauge. They needed to be pressed hard to the
frame.
Once that the wheels had just the 4 studs between them they never crawled up the
rails.
The ugly gap between the middle section and the two outer sections can be closed
without compromising the function. User Yangbricks at You-Tube gave a nice
upgrade. There are many alternative builds that do basically the same.
After that it looks great as display model and still rund without any
compromise.
If you can get one at reasonable price into your hands: go and get it! This is
among the best train sets ever! Maersk Train, Emerald Night and this one make up
my top 3 list.
Best Regards,
Ben
(actually complete in all >2004 lego battery trains again).
https://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/Ben/Poster/lego_train_set_collection_2022_june.png
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In lugnet.trains, “Reinhard ”Ben\” Beneke” ben@1000steine.SPAM-block.com
wrote:
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Hi,
this third message in a row is to highlight that just nothing appears to
happen at Lugnet any longer...
10 years ago any news on LEGO trains would have caused excitement here. Now a
new set comes up and vanishes unnoted.
At least I have my 3 sets of 10277 at home.
• One built and modified for play.
• One for display - built after instruction
• One as MISB
Leg Godt!
Ben
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Oof. I admit that I only now stumbled upon your post, Ben. Yes, I’m afraid that
LUGNET’s role from now on will be THE historical record for the genesis of the
worldwide phenomenon of the AFOL. And I admit that I certainly feel like a
dinosaur among the newest generation of trains MOC builders. But I will never
forget the magic of the beginning, of which we were all a part. And it’s all
documented here in beloved LUGNET.<3
Leg Godt, Frieden
JOHN
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P.s..:
any rumors on new PU trains? The two series before had each a short time
addition.
7938+7939 got accompanied by 3677
60051+60052 got 60098
60197 and 60198 do still lack such an addition (71044 disney train does not
count).
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