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Subject: 
FIRST LEGO League video
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Wed, 31 May 2006 05:36:27 GMT
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Greetings All,

Here is a video of a FLL team that I coached:

http://homepage.mac.com/aklego/iMovieTheater29.html

The team was quite good and made it to the the World Festival in Atlanta last
month.  In the five months leading up to the festivle, they were able to improve
their robot to the point where they could often get a perfect score.
Unfortunatly, the robot was camra shy and I was never able to capture a perfect
run.  Anyway, hope you enjoy it.

Tom


Subject: 
Re: advise on class size...
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I try to keep to around not more than 5 children per mindstorms kit
(or per RCX if using Dacta), and not more than 8-10 per instructor.
Usually - once you get above about 8, it is good to have a couple of
other adults around to keep peace, so the main instructor can actually
teach and do group demonstrations. This also means the other adults
can help stuck children a bit.

Danny

On 7/3/05, Elizabeth Mabrey <emabrey@storming-robots.com> wrote:
Hi Robo Educators,

I would like to gather some opinions from the educators out there who teach
their middle school classes using the LEGO MINDSTORMS + Robolab:
1) What is a reasonable class size in 2 to 3 hours session?
2) How about summer camp configuration? Since the summer classes runs 5
hours a day, it involves additional science projects for an hour.
Therefore, they really spend approx. 4 hours on robotics activities. I
currently plan to have 12 middle school kids in the class with one adult
instructor.  Will this sound reasonable?

Please advise!

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Subject: 
advise on class size...
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Sun, 3 Jul 2005 14:49:15 GMT
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Hi Robo Educators,

I would like to gather some opinions from the educators out there who teach
their middle school classes using the LEGO MINDSTORMS + Robolab:
1) What is a reasonable class size in 2 to 3 hours session?
2) How about summer camp configuration? Since the summer classes runs 5
hours a day, it involves additional science projects for an hour.
Therefore, they really spend approx. 4 hours on robotics activities. I
currently plan to have 12 middle school kids in the class with one adult
instructor.  Will this sound reasonable?

Please advise!

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Elizabeth Mabrey


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Subject: 
Re: vex robotics kit
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Thu, 23 Jun 2005 22:26:35 GMT
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In lugnet.robotics.rcx, Michael Obenland wrote:
   Joe Strout wrote:

  
   The starter kit is $300, which is a 50% pricier...

Sure, but it seems of not much value regarding programming. The informations on the vex site are sparse and not easy to decipher, but I think you will have to: - pay aditional $99 for somethink called easyC, that is more or less nqc - or pay some bucks for a genuine c compiler from microchip.com.

I think you’re paying not for the compiler, but for the “programmer” (a sort of serial adapter with an integrated PIC that massages the data somehow). But either way, yes, it’s an extra $100 to program the thing. And without the ability to program it, it *is* pretty useless, so this thing is basically twice the cost of Mindstorms.

But, it’s a lot more than twice the functionality. And of course, it’s only twice the cost if you get only one -- if you get more than one, you still need only one programmer, which brings the cost back down a bit.

I hear rumors of a new RCX coming... hopefully it will be closer to Vex in functionality.

Best,
– Joe


Subject: 
Re: vex robotics kit
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Thu, 23 Jun 2005 19:49:05 GMT
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Joe Strout wrote:
I hate to say it, but this looks like it rather blows the socks off of standard
LEGO robotics.

I don't think so.

The starter kit is $300, which is a 50% pricier[...]

Sure, but it seems of not much value regarding programming. The
informations on the vex site are sparse and not easy to decipher, but I
think you will have to:
- pay aditional $99 for somethink called easyC, that is more or less nqc
- or pay some bucks for a genuine c compiler from microchip.com.

Look at:

  http://microchip.com/stellent/idcplg?IdcService=SS_GET_PAGE&nodeId=81
http://www.vexrobotics.com/index.php/posts?thread_id=5&PHPSESSID=99f885a76b0d3e831c1751f05ba2ade1

The major drawback, of course, is that the dang thing isn't based on LEGO,

:)

Regards,

Michael


Subject: 
RE: vex robotics kit
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Tue, 21 Jun 2005 21:48:46 GMT
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Hi Joe,

Their website seemingly offers a lot of other gadgets.  However, I have
serious doubt about the programming platform though.  Or, perhaps  I have
not found much about the programming language which can interface with it.

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From: news-gateway@lugnet.com
[mailto:news-gateway@lugnet.com] On Behalf Of Joe Strout
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 5:19 PM
To: lugnet.robotics.rcx@lugnet.com; lugnet.robotics.edu@lugnet.com
Subject: Re: vex robotics kit

In lugnet.robotics.rcx, Elizabeth Mabrey wrote:

I wonder if anyone has had a chance to use the new VEX • robotic kit by radio
shack.   I am trying to collect the info to evaluate this • product vs LEGO
RIS + robolab in terms of educational values.

I haven't used it, but I thank you for pointing it out.  (For
others, the link is <http://www.vexrobotics.com/>.)

I hate to say it, but this looks like it rather blows the
socks off of standard LEGO robotics.  The starter kit is
$300, which is a 50% pricier, but comes with some really cool
features out of the box that are very difficult or impossible
to add to Mindstorms at all.  For example, a radio
transmitter and receiver, that lets you interact with your
robot by remote control (in addition to its autonomous
control via the programmable microcontroller).

Additional parts are nicely available and well-priced, too --
for example, $20 for a servo kit, $50 for a radio crystal set
that enables four different frequencies, $13 for an extra set
of gears (duplicating all the gears in the starter kit, plus
two more), and $50 for a battery charger that can charge
robot and transmitter batteries at the same time.

The major drawback, of course, is that the dang thing isn't
based on LEGO, so it's going to be a PITA to build and
comparatively limited in the physical structures you can
make.  Looks surprisingly fun anyway, though.

I found a review of the VEX system that may be useful:
<http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/ZDM/story?id=817378>

I haven't been able to find much detail about the
microcontroller, except that it contains "dozens of ports for
sensor plugs and jumpers."  It's not clear exactly what that
means, though.  Nor can I find any information about how it
is programmed -- apparently it comes with a preset program
you can tweak in small ways via jumpers, but they also claim
it's "programmable."

I hope this gives some inspiration to both the engineers and
the marketing guys at LEGO... I feel like LEGO robotics is
falling behind, and has some catching up to do.

Best,¬
- Joe



Subject: 
Re: vex robotics kit
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Tue, 21 Jun 2005 21:18:40 GMT
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In lugnet.robotics.rcx, Elizabeth Mabrey wrote:

   I wonder if anyone has had a chance to use the new VEX robotic kit by radio shack. I am trying to collect the info to evaluate this product vs LEGO RIS + robolab in terms of educational values.

I haven’t used it, but I thank you for pointing it out. (For others, the link is http://www.vexrobotics.com/.)

I hate to say it, but this looks like it rather blows the socks off of standard LEGO robotics. The starter kit is $300, which is a 50% pricier, but comes with some really cool features out of the box that are very difficult or impossible to add to Mindstorms at all. For example, a radio transmitter and receiver, that lets you interact with your robot by remote control (in addition to its autonomous control via the programmable microcontroller).

Additional parts are nicely available and well-priced, too -- for example, $20 for a servo kit, $50 for a radio crystal set that enables four different frequencies, $13 for an extra set of gears (duplicating all the gears in the starter kit, plus two more), and $50 for a battery charger that can charge robot and transmitter batteries at the same time.

The major drawback, of course, is that the dang thing isn’t based on LEGO, so it’s going to be a PITA to build and comparatively limited in the physical structures you can make. Looks surprisingly fun anyway, though.

I found a review of the VEX system that may be useful: http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/ZDM/story?id=817378

I haven’t been able to find much detail about the microcontroller, except that it contains “dozens of ports for sensor plugs and jumpers.” It’s not clear exactly what that means, though. Nor can I find any information about how it is programmed -- apparently it comes with a preset program you can tweak in small ways via jumpers, but they also claim it’s “programmable.”

I hope this gives some inspiration to both the engineers and the marketing guys at LEGO... I feel like LEGO robotics is falling behind, and has some catching up to do.

Best,
- Joe


Subject: 
vex robotics kit
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Mon, 20 Jun 2005 16:19:01 GMT
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Hi

I wonder if anyone has had a chance to use the new VEX robotic kit by radio
shack.   I am trying to collect the info to evaluate this product vs LEGO
RIS + robolab in terms of educational values.

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Subject: 
Re: advice for robogrip
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In lugnet.robotics.rcx, Elizabeth Mabrey wrote:
   Hi,

I am trying to look for a few lego end effectors configuration. I got the one from CMU’s robotics educator. Suggestion will be greatly appreciated.

--thanks

Do you mean robot hands? If so, try the one from my robot: http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=82738

It’s actuated with pneumatics at the moment but the two 24mm pulleys have bevel gears linking them, to keep the fingers synchronised, so you could use a motor and low gearing to power it from an RCX instead. The fingers use parallelograms to stay parallel with each other, so that they can grip any amount of the object. In this case the object is a 2x10 brick, held vertically (11.2mm thick).

The actual grippers are rubber tyres from 12V train motors, though wide rubber bands would do.

In this robot, the gripper cylinders are in parallel with two cylinders that move a much bigger load, that of a bank of 5 switch valves on the back of the robot. Therefore the gripper moves before the bank of switches.

There’s also a diagram of the pneumatic circuit in the folder.

Mark


Subject: 
advice for robogrip
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Hi,

I am trying to look for a few lego end effectors configuration.  I got the
one from CMU's robotics educator.   Suggestion will be greatly appreciated.

--thanks


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